You are right deers only a year but the rams are longer. I found this:

Horns will grow throughout the sheep's lifetime, with the most rapid growth occurring during the first two to three years. Sheep horns tend to curl and spiral, whereas goat horns grow straight out or up. Some rams have such beautiful horns that they are raised as "trophy" animals. Horns can be made into knife handles, spoons, hair combs, powder horns, and horse bits.

The horns on devils are more ramlike arent they? Kind of curved around?

My only experience is with pop-culture depictions of fabulous creatures with horns. Some are the spiralled sheep-like ones. But most seem to be more like the gently curved goat-like horns or maybe a kind of corkscrew type like some antelope.

It would be safer to assume that we are discussing religious symbolism.

Howabout bull horns?

Yes, the short bull horms too.

I agree it would seem that Satan's modern visage would be a direct reaction to the Cernunnos/Pan cults the early Christians would have had conflict with. In the same vein, the local deities of the Celts (and others) that could not be burned from the consciousnesses by the usurping faith were cannonised as saints and outfitted with bogus stories that melded their original qualities with sometimes absurdly false connections to Christ or miracles performed in His name.

Satan and Lucifer are often thought of as the same thing, particularly in the Evangelical world, but there is no real connection within the Bible. Lucifer seems to actually reference a terrestrial Babylonian king. Satan is a title meaning "one opposed to" or "adversary."

Satan in the OT is referenced many times as both an adversary of the simple human sort, and as God's right-hand man when it comes time to doing some evil deed. He is sanctioned by God, and is not His adversary, but man's. In Rev., Satan gets a makeover from the wildly creative author and takes on his modern role as God's adversary, though this Satan may not even be the same being as that referenced in the OT or even elsewhere in the NT.

Back to image, I think that the classic depictions of a grotesque creature with blended attributes are the best images of Satan. Goat's head, single cloven hoof, Hermaphroditic body, & etc. Little forehead horns and pitchfork, seriously? Though the depiction of Darkness in "Legend" is really good as well, but I wonder what he was making up for with horns THAT size.

Satan is oh so sly,
He control your soul until the day you die,
If he can get you to dwell,
On the question why.
So if you're sitting on the edge,
Quit defiling knowledge,
Give Christs true message some time,
And get your soul off the line!
Absolute honesty is the master plan,
And is the only way we stand,
It is in the message of love,
That was sent from above.
So when your life is in tourmoil,
Don't look to the things of the soil.
There is only one true answere,
It's through the teaching's of Christ's,
That we allow God to prevent disater.
(Knowledge, Understanding, Wisdom)
In that order!

Ark, scroll up a bit and read the posted information. Evidently (if you believe that research) the physical representation of the devil is nothing more than a stolen Pagan horned deity. Makes perfect sense to me really. Not to mention that the Christians essentially took the concept of "hell" from the Hebrews and put their own spin on it.

"Some other traditions, however, portray Hell as cold and gloomy. Existent after life is not concrete in Judaism and may be portrayed as a state of neutrality, an eternal nothingness ("sheol", often translated as Hell), simply non-life."

It appears to me that the Christians do an awful lot of "adopting" and then twisting to suit their own agendas and needs. Dont get me started on the holidays.

krimsa, there have been many types of groups of people throughout history to twist the true nature of human reality to fit there own agenda. I think that this is the problem with most all bad things that happen on the face of this planet. I once new a man who chose to be part of a certain relgious group. while he did not actually believe exactly like the dogma of that particular group did, he was very instumental in helping alot of people who were in true need of help, rathing judging them before he was willing to offer his help. he was looked at as kind of a maverick. years later he bacame one of the leaders of this group. he expressed to me at one time that if we are to truly make a difference in the world that we should learn to do it with the skill of a surgeon rather than the blade of a head hunter. I admit to myself and all that I may not be verry good at applying this princple at all times. What I try to do when communicating with most anyone about most things of philosophy is to try to get them to think for themselves instead of being some sort of judgmental ass_____! some of the points I make are good if taken correctly,,and some maybe not. I do really care about others, probably too much for my own good. I don't really care for the word "christian" only because it implies to be "christlike" and to date there has been no one person who has been able to even come close to to having the impact on world events that he has. If many of the worlds mainstream religions would get off of their holier than thou head trips and try to be half as honest as christ was the world would change for the good almost immediatly. but they probably won't. so in the mean time the best we can do is try to help with others needs, emotional and physical. the one way I try do do that is by doing what I have just done. speak from my heart.. love ya sweety, later Daniel

Daniel what does that have to do with the historical roots of Satan and hell? Then explain what you meant about Muslim Extremists please? Did that just slip out by accident? Im still irritated about that horrible comment. I feel it was unjustified. Do you or do you not admit that ANY fundamentalist group, Christian or other, can be potentially dangerous?

Horns that size I remember that movie "Legend". That was excellent. Tim Curry I think played the devil? Or was it the devil? I cant remember now because their were elves and fairies and trolls and everything else in that film so it appeared to have a mid evil Pagan setting. It was fantasy though. That was probably the best "Satan" makeup and costume design I had ever seen depicted by film.

http://www.mwctoys.com/images/review_lod_7.jpg

There is a model of the costume for those that are interested. I think they should have come down just a tad on the horn size. Those are more bull like. Its kind of overkill.

As far as my choice of words "Muslim extremist" I probably should have pointed out that it is not only Muslim extremist's that are the problem. It is any organization or person, that takes to the extreme the idea it is OK to bring harm to anyone, and then acts on it! I don't know all the answere's, but will keep learnig and trying as long as I am able to try to close the pandora's box of hatred. I was once invloved in the party life which caused me to have some associates who were not nice guy's. One night a group of them decided they were going to try to do me harm, possibly kill me. When they stood up and started towards me, I realized I was in trouble. I yelled, "In the name of god stop",,,they did ! that's just one of the situations I can not explain in my life. There have been many times that I was near death and or even a few where I passed and came back. I do not know exactly why that is, but believe it has a lot to do with my faith in God / love!

You pasted this on two threads by the way. I already responded but not on this thread because its off topic.

oopsy

Early onset Alzheimer's? Just kidding.

SATAN rULES!!!

probably, I lost my mother to it.

During the Witch Trials of 1692, women were often accused of "consorting" with the devil which implied they were having sex with him in some respect. Im not exactly certain how this was determined to be "fact" by some of these holly inquisitor types. Im sure there was some creepy methods employed.