Topic: Walk the Walk
enderra's photo
Fri 10/03/08 04:58 PM
We can all dis each others party till we are blue in the face.
Can one person here lay out a 12 point concise and coherent plan of what they would do to fix this country. Mind you it must start with they way things are today and not how they should be.

Winx's photo
Fri 10/03/08 05:17 PM
I don't know.tears

enderra's photo
Fri 10/03/08 05:22 PM
Isn't it amazing how all the political geniuses are suddenly silent.

wouldee's photo
Fri 10/03/08 05:23 PM
1. Repeal the Federal Reserve Act of 1913.

2. Prepare for war.

3. Kick butt.

4. Come home and have dinner.

5. get some rest.

6. Print new currency and issue $100,000 to every citizen over 18.

7. require industry to arm the military with the latest and greatest. That is their tax for being American.

8. Maintain a standing militia for domestic tranquility, revolving service of every able bodied and sound minded citizen betweenn 18-50.

9. Business management accountable to labor and their salaries established by the entire workforce, with weighted prejudice by productive blue collar employees. Stockholders all.

10. In lieu of service in militias, health care professionals serve the national health care needs pro bono.

11. All stockholders personally liable for losses of public corporations equal to their shareholder value. If there are dividends, there are stop loss requirements for all shareholders. All public corporations must maintain equal capital reserves at 100% of productivty based on sales, accounted for quarterly. All excess capital reserves, after budeting R&D, paid out quarterly in dividends to shareholders.

12. All citizens reqired to maintain sound personal fiscal management of their finances ad taxes measured indirectly proprtionate to their ability to live witin their means. Meaning, the better one manages their personal finances, the lower their tax liability.

13. Voting privileges weighted by the measure of perdsonal stake in the prosperity of the nation.
Meaning, if you have nothing to lose, you have less to gain. The more you have to lose, the more you have to gain.

14. any abuse of these rules punishable by death.

15. twelve point plan amended to be a fifteen point plan. No exceptions.


drinks :laughing:



Lynann's photo
Fri 10/03/08 05:39 PM
I am thinking about this reply while playing WoW and listening to loud music.

I find a little pixel killing now and then relaxing.

I'll attempt to post something by the close of the weekend. In the meantime I will accept bribes and payoffs, favors and a private sector cushy job in exchange for favorable treatment in my plan.

enderra's photo
Fri 10/03/08 05:41 PM

I am thinking about this reply while playing WoW and listening to loud music.

I find a little pixel killing now and then relaxing.

I'll attempt to post something by the close of the weekend. In the meantime I will accept bribes and payoffs, favors and a private sector cushy job in exchange for favorable treatment in my plan.
tongue2 slaphead

wouldee's photo
Fri 10/03/08 05:44 PM

I am thinking about this reply while playing WoW and listening to loud music.

I find a little pixel killing now and then relaxing.

I'll attempt to post something by the close of the weekend. In the meantime I will accept bribes and payoffs, favors and a private sector cushy job in exchange for favorable treatment in my plan.



you are almost there with Barry!:wink: laugh

Lynann's photo
Fri 10/03/08 08:02 PM
Edited by Lynann on Fri 10/03/08 08:11 PM
1) Our infrastructure is crumbling. Most bridges, sewers and roadways are aged. It’s time to reinvest in this country. Perhaps along the lines of the model of the Civilian Conservation Corps that built so many public facilities and parks. Employing people and improving our highways and public facilities would help all Americans.
2) Eliminate or greatly minimize the use of private defense contracting firms who are making obscene amounts of money, poorly serving our military and who are virtually legally unaccountable. (this is a national embarrassment)
3) Eliminate the Federal Reserve. This area is complicated and would require a page or two to sort out. So, leaving it there for now.
4) Establish a mandatory public service program for all citizens that will be served before entry into college or the job market. Alternatives to military service might be considered but not granted based on economics.
5) Commit to paying off the national debt. There are a variety of ways this could be done.
6) Establish a health care system that works for all. We are all paying more than we should and getting less. Large numbers of people who are uninsured but who require care are racking up bills they cannot and do not pay, those on Medicaid and Medicare cannot find doctors that accept those plans so use emergency rooms instead, the health care lobbyists are out of control, the rich and the poor are covered while those in the middle the working poor are without coverage, we have an embarrassingly high infant mortality rate….the list goes on. The existing system is not working. The answers start with an accurate accounting of how much all these things cost us before we can change it. Ideas to fix this might be requiring doctors to accept Medicare and Medicaid patients, providing preventive care to all (this would cost us at the beginning but would ultimately save money (it’s cheaper to cure small things early)) MORE Later here maybe.
7) Eliminate No Child Left Behind, abolish the Department of Education(maybe) stop teaching to the tests, institute merit pay for teachers, stop social advancement, reinvest in public schools by eliminating the disparities in funding. A kid in an urban area should receive the same amount per year in educational funding as the one that lives in an upper class suburb. Local property taxes (what funds schools in most areas) should go into a fund that is equally divided among all students. This might have an additional benefit as well. It may encourage people to move back to cities. Less us and them thinking perhaps? Focus more in critical thinking, teaching real skills like how to read a map, how to handle finances, science, math and literacy should be emphasized. Foreign language, music, art and physical education should be required. Forty hours of public service in the senior year should also be required.
8) Repeal the Military Commissions Act, the Patriot Act and review/repeal the 262 (approx. number) of Executive Orders signed by Bush.
9) Establish a national election standard that is track able and accountable.
10) Reward citizenship along with innovation and education in new technology. Tax breaks to companies and individuals who come up with ways to make us more energy efficient, to individuals who educate themselves and teach and to individuals who volunteer.
11) Start charging oil companies and logging companies for products they gather from public land. Those are our resources and it is obscene that a logging company can pay next to nothing to log public lands and reap all the profits.
12) Allow civil unions to homosexual and heterosexual couples. If a couple chooses to solemnize their civil union in a church of their choice and call it a marriage that's fine but a government issued license does not a marriage make.

These are just some ideas off the top of my head after a couple beers presented in no particular order. I might have some more to add to this post later.

Winx's photo
Fri 10/03/08 08:09 PM
I'm impressed, Lynann. That is excellent.happy flowerforyou

Redshirt's photo
Fri 10/03/08 08:24 PM
Well thought out. flowerforyou bigsmile

cutelildevilsmom's photo
Fri 10/03/08 08:27 PM

1. Repeal the Federal Reserve Act of 1913.

2. Prepare for war.

3. Kick butt.

4. Come home and have dinner.

5. get some rest.

6. Print new currency and issue $100,000 to every citizen over 18.

7. require industry to arm the military with the latest and greatest. That is their tax for being American.

8. Maintain a standing militia for domestic tranquility, revolving service of every able bodied and sound minded citizen betweenn 18-50.

9. Business management accountable to labor and their salaries established by the entire workforce, with weighted prejudice by productive blue collar employees. Stockholders all.

10. In lieu of service in militias, health care professionals serve the national health care needs pro bono.

11. All stockholders personally liable for losses of public corporations equal to their shareholder value. If there are dividends, there are stop loss requirements for all shareholders. All public corporations must maintain equal capital reserves at 100% of productivty based on sales, accounted for quarterly. All excess capital reserves, after budeting R&D, paid out quarterly in dividends to shareholders.

12. All citizens reqired to maintain sound personal fiscal management of their finances ad taxes measured indirectly proprtionate to their ability to live witin their means. Meaning, the better one manages their personal finances, the lower their tax liability.

13. Voting privileges weighted by the measure of perdsonal stake in the prosperity of the nation.
Meaning, if you have nothing to lose, you have less to gain. The more you have to lose, the more you have to gain.

14. any abuse of these rules punishable by death.

15. twelve point plan amended to be a fifteen point plan. No exceptions.


drinks :laughing:





another Bushie who hates the constitution.

cutelildevilsmom's photo
Fri 10/03/08 08:28 PM

1) Our infrastructure is crumbling. Most bridges, sewers and roadways are aged. It’s time to reinvest in this country. Perhaps along the lines of the model of the Civilian Conservation Corps that built so many public facilities and parks. Employing people and improving our highways and public facilities would help all Americans.
2) Eliminate or greatly minimize the use of private defense contracting firms who are making obscene amounts of money, poorly serving our military and who are virtually legally unaccountable. (this is a national embarrassment)
3) Eliminate the Federal Reserve. This area is complicated and would require a page or two to sort out. So, leaving it there for now.
4) Establish a mandatory public service program for all citizens that will be served before entry into college or the job market. Alternatives to military service might be considered but not granted based on economics.
5) Commit to paying off the national debt. There are a variety of ways this could be done.
6) Establish a health care system that works for all. We are all paying more than we should and getting less. Large numbers of people who are uninsured but who require care are racking up bills they cannot and do not pay, those on Medicaid and Medicare cannot find doctors that accept those plans so use emergency rooms instead, the health care lobbyists are out of control, the rich and the poor are covered while those in the middle the working poor are without coverage, we have an embarrassingly high infant mortality rate….the list goes on. The existing system is not working. The answers start with an accurate accounting of how much all these things cost us before we can change it. Ideas to fix this might be requiring doctors to accept Medicare and Medicaid patients, providing preventive care to all (this would cost us at the beginning but would ultimately save money (it’s cheaper to cure small things early)) MORE Later here maybe.
7) Eliminate No Child Left Behind, abolish the Department of Education(maybe) stop teaching to the tests, institute merit pay for teachers, stop social advancement, reinvest in public schools by eliminating the disparities in funding. A kid in an urban area should receive the same amount per year in educational funding as the one that lives in an upper class suburb. Local property taxes (what funds schools in most areas) should go into a fund that is equally divided among all students. This might have an additional benefit as well. It may encourage people to move back to cities. Less us and them thinking perhaps? Focus more in critical thinking, teaching real skills like how to read a map, how to handle finances, science, math and literacy should be emphasized. Foreign language, music, art and physical education should be required. Forty hours of public service in the senior year should also be required.
8) Repeal the Military Commissions Act, the Patriot Act and review/repeal the 262 (approx. number) of Executive Orders signed by Bush.
9) Establish a national election standard that is track able and accountable.
10) Reward citizenship along with innovation and education in new technology. Tax breaks to companies and individuals who come up with ways to make us more energy efficient, to individuals who educate themselves and teach and to individuals who volunteer.
11) Start charging oil companies and logging companies for products they gather from public land. Those are our resources and it is obscene that a logging company can pay next to nothing to log public lands and reap all the profits.
12) Allow civil unions to homosexual and heterosexual couples. If a couple chooses to solemnize their civil union in a church of their choice and call it a marriage that's fine but a government issued license does not a marriage make.

These are just some ideas off the top of my head after a couple beers presented in no particular order. I might have some more to add to this post later.


again,my hero!!:angel:

Redshirt's photo
Fri 10/03/08 08:31 PM


1. Repeal the Federal Reserve Act of 1913.

2. Prepare for war.

3. Kick butt.

4. Come home and have dinner.

5. get some rest.

6. Print new currency and issue $100,000 to every citizen over 18.

7. require industry to arm the military with the latest and greatest. That is their tax for being American.

8. Maintain a standing militia for domestic tranquility, revolving service of every able bodied and sound minded citizen betweenn 18-50.

9. Business management accountable to labor and their salaries established by the entire workforce, with weighted prejudice by productive blue collar employees. Stockholders all.

10. In lieu of service in militias, health care professionals serve the national health care needs pro bono.

11. All stockholders personally liable for losses of public corporations equal to their shareholder value. If there are dividends, there are stop loss requirements for all shareholders. All public corporations must maintain equal capital reserves at 100% of productivty based on sales, accounted for quarterly. All excess capital reserves, after budeting R&D, paid out quarterly in dividends to shareholders.

12. All citizens reqired to maintain sound personal fiscal management of their finances ad taxes measured indirectly proprtionate to their ability to live witin their means. Meaning, the better one manages their personal finances, the lower their tax liability.

13. Voting privileges weighted by the measure of perdsonal stake in the prosperity of the nation.
Meaning, if you have nothing to lose, you have less to gain. The more you have to lose, the more you have to gain.

14. any abuse of these rules punishable by death.

15. twelve point plan amended to be a fifteen point plan. No exceptions.


drinks :laughing:





another Bushie who hates the constitution.


"hate" is a strong word. They definately do not understand it and that it a living document. If they did they would understand the word "equality". That lack of understanding is very sad.

cutelildevilsmom's photo
Fri 10/03/08 08:35 PM



1. Repeal the Federal Reserve Act of 1913.

2. Prepare for war.

3. Kick butt.

4. Come home and have dinner.

5. get some rest.

6. Print new currency and issue $100,000 to every citizen over 18.

7. require industry to arm the military with the latest and greatest. That is their tax for being American.

8. Maintain a standing militia for domestic tranquility, revolving service of every able bodied and sound minded citizen betweenn 18-50.

9. Business management accountable to labor and their salaries established by the entire workforce, with weighted prejudice by productive blue collar employees. Stockholders all.

10. In lieu of service in militias, health care professionals serve the national health care needs pro bono.

11. All stockholders personally liable for losses of public corporations equal to their shareholder value. If there are dividends, there are stop loss requirements for all shareholders. All public corporations must maintain equal capital reserves at 100% of productivty based on sales, accounted for quarterly. All excess capital reserves, after budeting R&D, paid out quarterly in dividends to shareholders.

12. All citizens reqired to maintain sound personal fiscal management of their finances ad taxes measured indirectly proprtionate to their ability to live witin their means. Meaning, the better one manages their personal finances, the lower their tax liability.

13. Voting privileges weighted by the measure of perdsonal stake in the prosperity of the nation.
Meaning, if you have nothing to lose, you have less to gain. The more you have to lose, the more you have to gain.

14. any abuse of these rules punishable by death.

15. twelve point plan amended to be a fifteen point plan. No exceptions.


drinks :laughing:





another Bushie who hates the constitution.


"hate" is a strong word. They definately do not understand it and that it a living document. If they did they would understand the word "equality". That lack of understanding is very sad.

I think the Patriot Act shows a real lack of understanding of the Constitution..As for equality,there is a real class difference I have never seen before and it's scary.

Redshirt's photo
Fri 10/03/08 08:44 PM
Edited by Redshirt on Fri 10/03/08 09:02 PM
Unfortunately the "class difference" has been around for some time. The Civil War and the Great Depression were unfortunate ways that "equality" was demonstrated - the both affected everyone.

Since the Reagan years the "class difference" has been getting greater. One thing I do disagree with Obama/Biden on is where the "no tax increase" should start. 250K salary is a bit high in my opinion. How about 100K? Those of us how "live" in that range and below are the ones who need the help.

Winx's photo
Fri 10/03/08 08:48 PM

Unfortunately the "class difference" has been around for some time. The Civil War and the Great Depression were unfortunate ways that "equality" was demonstrated - the both affected everyone.

Since the Reagan years the "class difference" has been getting greater. One thing I do disagree with Obama/Biden on is where the tax breaks should start. 250K salary is a bit high in my opinion. How about 50K? Those of us now "live" in that range and below are the ones who need the help.


The class difference has been getting greater. I feel like it's about to explode.

t22learner's photo
Fri 10/03/08 09:19 PM
We've got big problems, and it's going to be very difficult to do much with the $10T debt and current record deficits. We need to start right at the core and address our capitalist system. It turns out Gordon Gecko was wrong. Greed is not good. The constant pressure for growth and higher profit had bankrupted us in many ways:

- Health technology and pharmaceutical companies contribute to an obscenely expensive health care system that's unaffordable to millions.
- Our military-industrial complex drive for higher revenues and profits fuels world conflict and warps our foreign policy.
- The financial and political power of oil companies keeps us dependent on petroleum and the Middle-East.
- Giant media conglomerates control the message and craft it to sustain the status quo and maximize profit.

I can't say I have a solution to any of this, but I have my doubts whether we can sustain infinite growth. The planet cannot support it, so we need to devise a system that moves us back to more local, sustainable economies and away from giant corporations feeding us Big Macs, Big Brother on Big Screens, and a Big Gulp to wash down handfuls of Prozac so we can deal with it all.


wouldee's photo
Fri 10/03/08 11:47 PM
Patent laws and licensing of patents is big business.

Many patents are bought up to sit dormant on shelves by megasloths that profit by stifling competition.

Just one example of laws that are dinosaurs and can't advance humanity and ethical behavior in this age.

One example of the types of laws that Mc Cain could champion consistent with his intentions to modernize our legal system and the daily operation of the Federal Government which is a megasloth in its own right.

Barack, too, if he used his Harvard law degree for something truly benevolent.

For instance.

Many high tech devices in the consumer market have thousands of patents involved with licensing agreements to the patent holders which are inescapably incumbent upon innovative approaches to solving problems with standardization and compatiblity of different devices in order for them to communicate with one another as useful communication tools for consumer benefit.

But these licenses make it impossible for small start ups , like Microsoft enjoyed in its early days, whereas the licensing agreements plunder the profitablilty of said innovations except by the biggest endeavors of a huge economy of scale.

Such an economy of scale limits innovation to being an opportunity for only the largest megasloths to engender and bring to market.

How is such constraints as these good for our society?

The playing field stifles true innovation and entrepreneural activity and relegates the best and brightest to the employ of others to see their dreams brought to fruition.

That is institutional indentured servitude of the intellectuals for whoim intellectual properties are designed to benefit.

The whoole system is corrupted.

And that's just patents and their play.


think

Drivinmenutz's photo
Fri 10/03/08 11:57 PM
Edited by Drivinmenutz on Sat 10/04/08 12:00 AM
I'll give you one plan: follow our constitution.

This will abolish the federal reserve. Reback the dollar with sound value. Lower medical and fuel costs. Revert us back to a modest foreign policy of non intervention. The market would take care of itself, taxes would be cut, and the deficit would be done away with. The patriot act would be abolished as would NAFTA and our overseas outsourcing, and illegal immigration. All in one big swoop. All problems solved. Next question...