So your argument is that YOU define him as god, neiner neiner? Well thats what you have been saying since this pointless discussion began. Oh this is important also:

However, in 59 AD during the Han dynasty, it was decreed that sacrifice should be made to Confucius and this began a process which was to make Confucian philosophy into the foundation of the Chinese political order. Confucius himself had only accepted the legitimacy of sacrifice to one's own ancestors, but from now on an official Confucian cult emerged, with its own temples. It gradually became linked with the state cult of the Emperor.

That's also taken from your own website. Nope not seeing anything other than human philosopher yet. Can you point me in the direction of ANY materials, books, magazine, writings, spiritual works, websites, anything outside of your own body that would define Confucius as a god? To me it appears that not only was he a human philosopher, he basically was linked with the state cult of the emperor of China.

Your move.

my personal definition of a god has to have them being able to creat things - any things - from ""nothing"" such as the bilical god or the creative force i call fred!! he it would also have to perform miracles - confucous never created anything from nothing he was a man with parents just ilke every other man - inellegent, wise, sure - but not a god by my definition.

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That was my statement from the very beginning.

Could you disprove him under the definitions i gave?

No

So, under my definitions, he is a god.

You have another definition of god (that you are apparently ashamed of) that is ok, i never said he was your god, i said "my god is Confucius". You asked me to prove that Confucius was my god, and i did, and now you try to belittle me by going "well oh yah by your standards he is." But that was exactly my beginning statement, by my standards he is a god.

Im assuming I am only responding to the last paragraph? I in fact went down the list of your copy and pasted definition of god and compared with the websites you have provided thus far and the information about who Confucius was, no he is not a god. Can you show me how he is a god? It appears that is the impasse we are currently finding ourselves in.

I did, i did over and over.

I worship him as "the principle ruling over all as eternal spirit"

That's me, I do that, not a big club. But, he is still my god.

My god.

I believe that.

Thats fine. I would only disagree with your concept of god. I would define Confucius as a philosopher. A human male. Not a deity. That does not effect your beliefs. You have simply been unconvincing.

Well it would be allot easier if you would reveal you definition of god...

By the way, you're a horrible debater.

Define what a "good debater" is then? Is that someone who concedes defeat even in the face of your exceedingly underwhelming argument?

The definition you used was perfectly acceptable.

Pick

I was referring to that lengthy definition you posted of "God" The one I went down the list and checked against the information you yourself had provided me about who Confucius was exactly. I took each one of those definitions of a "god" and not a one matched up with Confucius the man and philosopher.

I still disagree with your concept of god and your evidence has been insufficient thus far.

OK, Mentork, take your pick - i pick number 2



1god
Pronunciation: \ˈgäd also ˈgȯd\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Old English; akin to Old High German got god
Date: before 12th century

1capitalized : the supreme or ultimate reality: as a: the Being perfect in power, wisdom, and goodness who is worshipped as creator and ruler of the universe bChristian Science : the incorporeal divine Principle ruling over all as eternal Spirit : infinite Mind

2: a being or object believed to have more than natural attributes and powers and to require human worship ; specifically : one controlling a particular aspect or part of reality

3: a person or thing of supreme value

4: a powerful ruler


to my understanding cofucius fits none of these.

he definitely does not fit 1 or 2 -no. 3 a "person" of >> supreme << value - or 4 a powerful ruler - no way - except to you - which i guess is what you mean, but if you do - then you are alone in your concept at least here.

In the beginning, Confucius created the universe.

That's how it happened...

The definition of god doesn't require him to actually do it, just for someone, somewhere, to believe he did it, and here i am, therefore, Confucius is a god.



It seems we have come to an understanding.

My understanding is that you believe Confucius is a god and that he created the world. I would simply disagree. Is there anything written down that defines Confucius in relationship to a deity or just you?

He is a god because you say so?

It doesnt work like that.

Sure, you can choose him to be your god if you so wish, power to you. Pray away to him and best of luck.

If there was somebody that worshipped me and believed i was god, would that make me a god?

or am i just another human still?

I pray to Dan and hes still an ass.

I'll take 1a

"the Being perfect in power, wisdom, and goodness who is worshiped as creator and ruler of the universe"

I believe that he is a being perfect in power, wisdom, and goodness. And I worship him as the creator and ruler of the universe, therefore, he is worshiped as the creator of the universe, therefore, he is a god.

Just like the Flying Spaghetti Monster, is a god, and just like Jehovah is a god.

When you got down on your hands and knees in front of me like that i never actually realised you were PRAYING!

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well possibly - i am not arguing with what you want to believe - I'm fine with that - no problem - be my guest - but i have one problem with your statement:

"In the beginning, Confucius created the universe."

can you tell me when and who made this statement?

if it was someone else other than you, i will accept it - if not then where do you get this from? or again is this in your own mind, something you made up and have no outside proof for? if so - then that's like me saying and believing mickey mouse is god or a god - i may think so but it's just my personal delusion. why?

because i can offer no evidence outside of my statement to others to show why i believe this that's why. now that will not stop me from believing so if i wish, but i cannot expect others to believe it with out evidence of some kind to show why or how he is a god. other than my own personal statement - opinion - that and 25 bucks will buy you a half cup of coffee, maybe!

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Someone had do do it, and Confucius is the only guy around with super powers.



I don't know about that, people will believe some crazy crap ;)

What proof did Muhammad have other then his own word?