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Topic: Why Would “Terrorists” Want To
warmachine's photo
Mon 09/22/08 03:18 PM

I was not going to reply to this any further but I do need to dispell something.

There have been an increasing number of terrorists attacks in recent days aimed at Pakistani citizens. These attacks have occured all over Pakistan in an apparent attempt to scare the Pakistani people into backing completely away from any cooperation with the US.

For some reason the US news has not reported this information. (Perhaps because Obama is not any way as strong as McCain on internationl issues and it would send his poll numbers down).
The recent bombing at the Marriot was reported by the World News Machine only because it was to large to keep off the air.

Those of you that subscribe to paranoid delusions of grand schemes have the right to voice your opinions of course. (Some of the red in our flage is my contribution to that right.)

My tactical assesment of that situation is right on the money (given what limited information I do have).

Further Al-Queada or the Taliban (which ever one it was) is shooting their own cause by doing this.

The Pakistani people are much more like us than you know (unless you know one personally) They do not fear such things. We did not react to 9/11 with fear as was the intention of the terrorists. Rather we reacted with an overwhelming anger and resolve (at least for a little while we were one nation). That will be the Pakistani reaction. Once they have removed the terrorists they will go right back (as we have) to argueing one with the other.








You'll hear no denial in the uptick of attacks against Pakistani's occurring with greater frequency. However, what's the answer to the question, why would these terrorists, who has been hanging out without much opposition in the mountains, now attack a government that is more concerned with the U.S. militaries unwarranted attacks on the Pakistani people. (I also don't rely on the MSM, it's full of crap, I get my info from all over the world, in various formats, from various points of view. 3 sides to every story.)

To decry my very real fear of the documented cases of false flag terror, as a paranoid delusion actually makes me feel bad, I hate to see those who can't see the forest for the trees trying to discredit me, when all I'm doing is clearing a little brush.

You are right militants, thats a good word for them anyway, since Al Qaeda is just a made up term anyway.

BBC’s killer documentary called “The Power of Nightmares“. Top CIA officials openly admit, Al-qaeda is a total and complete fabrication, never having existed at any time. The Bush administration needed a reason that complied with the Laws so they could go after “the bad guy of their choice” namely laws that had been set in place to protect us from mobs and “criminal organizations” such as the Mafia. They paid Jamal al Fadl, hundreds of thousands of dollars to back the U.S. Government’s story of Al-qaeda, a “group” or criminal organization they could “legally” go after.

you can find the documentary on Google video.


As far as AL CIAda's resurgence in Pakistan is concerned, let me refer you back to the missing billions from the NeoCons puppet Musharref, anyone care to guess where some 10 billion missing dollars went to from Musharrefs hands?

Al CIAda is shooting themselves in the foot. Now either they are full of smart people or they are full of stupid ones. If they are full of stupid ones, then how did the stupid cave dwellers defeat our multibillion dollar air defense system on 9/11?

If they are full of smart ones, then what motivation would they have to make their own peoples the target of their aggression...unless there is another influence, another power structure delievering orders.

Thats the only thing that makes sense, someone is giving them orders, regardless of the damage to the militant groups. It's just supposed to be a coincidence, the timing of this and that it's exactly justifying what the Pakistani's were putting their foot down about stopping?

I don't buy it. Especially with all the proof of deception and lying coming out of this Government these days.

AdventureBegins's photo
Mon 09/22/08 03:33 PM


I was not going to reply to this any further but I do need to dispell something.

There have been an increasing number of terrorists attacks in recent days aimed at Pakistani citizens. These attacks have occured all over Pakistan in an apparent attempt to scare the Pakistani people into backing completely away from any cooperation with the US.

For some reason the US news has not reported this information. (Perhaps because Obama is not any way as strong as McCain on internationl issues and it would send his poll numbers down).
The recent bombing at the Marriot was reported by the World News Machine only because it was to large to keep off the air.

Those of you that subscribe to paranoid delusions of grand schemes have the right to voice your opinions of course. (Some of the red in our flage is my contribution to that right.)

My tactical assesment of that situation is right on the money (given what limited information I do have).

Further Al-Queada or the Taliban (which ever one it was) is shooting their own cause by doing this.

The Pakistani people are much more like us than you know (unless you know one personally) They do not fear such things. We did not react to 9/11 with fear as was the intention of the terrorists. Rather we reacted with an overwhelming anger and resolve (at least for a little while we were one nation). That will be the Pakistani reaction. Once they have removed the terrorists they will go right back (as we have) to argueing one with the other.








You'll hear no denial in the uptick of attacks against Pakistani's occurring with greater frequency. However, what's the answer to the question, why would these terrorists, who has been hanging out without much opposition in the mountains, now attack a government that is more concerned with the U.S. militaries unwarranted attacks on the Pakistani people. (I also don't rely on the MSM, it's full of crap, I get my info from all over the world, in various formats, from various points of view. 3 sides to every story.)

To decry my very real fear of the documented cases of false flag terror, as a paranoid delusion actually makes me feel bad, I hate to see those who can't see the forest for the trees trying to discredit me, when all I'm doing is clearing a little brush.

You are right militants, thats a good word for them anyway, since Al Qaeda is just a made up term anyway.

BBC’s killer documentary called “The Power of Nightmares“. Top CIA officials openly admit, Al-qaeda is a total and complete fabrication, never having existed at any time. The Bush administration needed a reason that complied with the Laws so they could go after “the bad guy of their choice” namely laws that had been set in place to protect us from mobs and “criminal organizations” such as the Mafia. They paid Jamal al Fadl, hundreds of thousands of dollars to back the U.S. Government’s story of Al-qaeda, a “group” or criminal organization they could “legally” go after.

you can find the documentary on Google video.


As far as AL CIAda's resurgence in Pakistan is concerned, let me refer you back to the missing billions from the NeoCons puppet Musharref, anyone care to guess where some 10 billion missing dollars went to from Musharrefs hands?

Al CIAda is shooting themselves in the foot. Now either they are full of smart people or they are full of stupid ones. If they are full of stupid ones, then how did the stupid cave dwellers defeat our multibillion dollar air defense system on 9/11?

If they are full of smart ones, then what motivation would they have to make their own peoples the target of their aggression...unless there is another influence, another power structure delievering orders.

Thats the only thing that makes sense, someone is giving them orders, regardless of the damage to the militant groups. It's just supposed to be a coincidence, the timing of this and that it's exactly justifying what the Pakistani's were putting their foot down about stopping?

I don't buy it. Especially with all the proof of deception and lying coming out of this Government these days.


One reason they stepped up their attacks is because the new pakistani president while informing US that we could not invade his territory also informed the terrorists that he was going to step up his countries respons to them. (in other words he told us to back off and let him deal with the Taliban). These attacks are a direct result of that. I do not pay much attention to US NEWS. They are all locked in a ratings war over the election.

You sir are cleaning brush with information that was valid only at the time russia was in Afganistan.

As far as Multimillion dollor Air Defense systems...They are designed to spot and take out ATTACKING, ARMED, SOVIET STYLE FIGHTERS AND BOMBERS... not civilian aircraft that even the airlines did not know had been hijacked untill after the first one entered manhattan airspace.

Purty much like Geronimo running the calvery around in circles cause they came in with big chargers in broken canyon lands. Something that calvery ain't made for. Technology ain't allways the best weapon.

Deception and lying ain't just comming from the government. Everybody seems to have an agenda.


warmachine's photo
Mon 09/22/08 03:43 PM



I was not going to reply to this any further but I do need to dispell something.

There have been an increasing number of terrorists attacks in recent days aimed at Pakistani citizens. These attacks have occured all over Pakistan in an apparent attempt to scare the Pakistani people into backing completely away from any cooperation with the US.

For some reason the US news has not reported this information. (Perhaps because Obama is not any way as strong as McCain on internationl issues and it would send his poll numbers down).
The recent bombing at the Marriot was reported by the World News Machine only because it was to large to keep off the air.

Those of you that subscribe to paranoid delusions of grand schemes have the right to voice your opinions of course. (Some of the red in our flage is my contribution to that right.)

My tactical assesment of that situation is right on the money (given what limited information I do have).

Further Al-Queada or the Taliban (which ever one it was) is shooting their own cause by doing this.

The Pakistani people are much more like us than you know (unless you know one personally) They do not fear such things. We did not react to 9/11 with fear as was the intention of the terrorists. Rather we reacted with an overwhelming anger and resolve (at least for a little while we were one nation). That will be the Pakistani reaction. Once they have removed the terrorists they will go right back (as we have) to argueing one with the other.








You'll hear no denial in the uptick of attacks against Pakistani's occurring with greater frequency. However, what's the answer to the question, why would these terrorists, who has been hanging out without much opposition in the mountains, now attack a government that is more concerned with the U.S. militaries unwarranted attacks on the Pakistani people. (I also don't rely on the MSM, it's full of crap, I get my info from all over the world, in various formats, from various points of view. 3 sides to every story.)

To decry my very real fear of the documented cases of false flag terror, as a paranoid delusion actually makes me feel bad, I hate to see those who can't see the forest for the trees trying to discredit me, when all I'm doing is clearing a little brush.

You are right militants, thats a good word for them anyway, since Al Qaeda is just a made up term anyway.

BBC’s killer documentary called “The Power of Nightmares“. Top CIA officials openly admit, Al-qaeda is a total and complete fabrication, never having existed at any time. The Bush administration needed a reason that complied with the Laws so they could go after “the bad guy of their choice” namely laws that had been set in place to protect us from mobs and “criminal organizations” such as the Mafia. They paid Jamal al Fadl, hundreds of thousands of dollars to back the U.S. Government’s story of Al-qaeda, a “group” or criminal organization they could “legally” go after.

you can find the documentary on Google video.


As far as AL CIAda's resurgence in Pakistan is concerned, let me refer you back to the missing billions from the NeoCons puppet Musharref, anyone care to guess where some 10 billion missing dollars went to from Musharrefs hands?

Al CIAda is shooting themselves in the foot. Now either they are full of smart people or they are full of stupid ones. If they are full of stupid ones, then how did the stupid cave dwellers defeat our multibillion dollar air defense system on 9/11?

If they are full of smart ones, then what motivation would they have to make their own peoples the target of their aggression...unless there is another influence, another power structure delievering orders.

Thats the only thing that makes sense, someone is giving them orders, regardless of the damage to the militant groups. It's just supposed to be a coincidence, the timing of this and that it's exactly justifying what the Pakistani's were putting their foot down about stopping?

I don't buy it. Especially with all the proof of deception and lying coming out of this Government these days.


One reason they stepped up their attacks is because the new pakistani president while informing US that we could not invade his territory also informed the terrorists that he was going to step up his countries respons to them. (in other words he told us to back off and let him deal with the Taliban). These attacks are a direct result of that. I do not pay much attention to US NEWS. They are all locked in a ratings war over the election.

You sir are cleaning brush with information that was valid only at the time russia was in Afganistan.

As far as Multimillion dollor Air Defense systems...They are designed to spot and take out ATTACKING, ARMED, SOVIET STYLE FIGHTERS AND BOMBERS... not civilian aircraft that even the airlines did not know had been hijacked untill after the first one entered manhattan airspace.

Purty much like Geronimo running the calvery around in circles cause they came in with big chargers in broken canyon lands. Something that calvery ain't made for. Technology ain't allways the best weapon.

Deception and lying ain't just comming from the government. Everybody seems to have an agenda.




So they knew he was going to make this statement, knew where he was going to have dinner and had a truck bomb ready to go, just for the new government, thats awful convienent.


My info was only valid during the soviet invasion of Afghanistan? Well, I'd like to believe that, but all you've done is criticize, without proving it. Once again all the evidence out there suggests that we are still funding and assisting these groups.

I don't think we should start running through 9/11 again, because I can present dozens of questions that are either whitewashed or not addressed. But you're telling me that we could get fighters in the air in Wichita Ks, but not in NYC, over shanksville or the freaking pentagon. If it's so outdated and unprepared, then why are we sinking billions a year into running tests, manned and otherwise on such a old, outdated unuseful defense system? that doesn't make a lick of sense.



warmachine's photo
Mon 09/22/08 03:44 PM



Deception and lying ain't just comming from the government. Everybody seems to have an agenda.




I can't argue with this though, it seems to come from everywhere.

warmachine's photo
Tue 09/23/08 12:56 PM
Pakistan blames US raids for hotel bombing

Omar Waraich in Islamabad, Anne Penketh and Andrew Buncombe
The Independent
Tuesday, September 23, 2008

The Pakistani President, Asif Ali Zardari, will plead with President George Bush today to change a policy which is being blamed for one of his country’s worst terrorist atrocities.

“We hope the US will change policy because this is what is needed,” said Pakistan’s ambassador to the UK, Wajid Shamsul Hassan, after 53 people were killed and more than 250 injured in the bombing of the Marriott Hotel in Islamabad. He argued that the Bush administration’s decision to allow cross-border incursions from Afghanistan into Pakistan, including by ground forces on at least one occasion, had been counterproductive “because they are not killing high-value targets, they are killing civilians”.

Mr Zardari’s talks with President Bush in New York, on the sidelines of the UN General Assembly, have been scheduled amid heightened security fears in the wake of the bombing

Tuesday, September 23, 2008

Yesterday BA cancelled all flights to Pakistan as a precaution, although a spokesman said there was no direct threat against the airline, which operates six flights each week. A number of foreign embassies and businesses in the country are also said to be re-examining the security situation.

In the north-western city of Peshawar, Abdul Khaliq Farahi, Afghanistan’s designated ambassador to Pakistan, was kidnapped and his driver killed by unidentified gunmen.

Overnight on Sunday there was further tension on the border when Pakistani troops reportedly fired shots to warn off two US helicopters that were attempting to cross into Pakistan at Alwara Mandi in North Waziristan.

A senior Pakistani official claimed that Pakistan’s senior leaders were to have attended a dinner at the Marriott Hotel but changed their venue to the Prime Minister’s house just hours before the massive bomb devastated the building.

The Interior Ministry chief, Rehman Malik, said the decision to move the location of the dinner for the President and Prime Minister had been kept secret but did not provide details of why the switch was made.

However, it later emerged that the invitations to the Prime Minister’s residence were sent out 10 days ago.

“The dinner was never going to be at the Marriott,” said Talat Hussain, a political analyst and director of current affairs at Aaj TV. “We were all issued invitations well in advance that it was to take place at the Prime Minister’s house. And by claiming that they had managed to move the political leadership to another location, it asks the question, if there is a security threat, is it only for VIPs? Are the rest of us children of a lesser god?”

Mr Malik could not be reached for further clarification last night.

Who carried out Saturday night's attack remains unclear. Mr Malik had previously said the hotel was attacked by Taliban or al-Qa'ida militants simply because it was a Western target.

But his remarks raise the question as to why – if the government had received intelligence that the Marriott might be attacked – was security at the hotel not immediately increased.

The attack on the hotel and the shockwaves it has sent through Pakistan are just the latest challenges confronting the country's civilian leadership and its recently elected president, Mr Zardari. Under pressure from the US, Mr Zardari, the widower of the former prime minister Benazir Bhutto, has vowed to continue the battle against Islamic militants operating in the country's tribal areas despite growing resentment inside Pakistan about interference from Washington.

Mr Hassan said that the Pakistan President had gained the support of Gordon Brown in opposing the US raids on Pakistani territory, during talks in London last week.

Mr Zardari is to chair the first meeting of the Friends of Pakistan – grouping the US, Britain and the other G8 countries as well as the United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia and China – in New York on Friday. Pakistan is looking for short-term help for economic measures to stimulate employment, and longer-term assistance for social development in deprived areas.

53

The number of people killed in suicide bomb attack on the Marriott Hotel in Islamabad.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/pakistan-blames-us-raids-for-hotel-bombing-938952.html

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Tue 09/23/08 01:05 PM
You know, War, you are going against the right media slant on the purpose of the attacks. Too many want to believe the slop they are fed by these "news" organizations that actually further the agenda of this administration and McCain's of warfare with no justification.

Why? Remember the rich are getting richer and the poor poorer just as the old saying goes when republicans are in office. War is big business and the ilk of Bush are not hurting one bit from this illegal war of his.

no photo
Tue 09/23/08 01:08 PM

What kind of moron do you have to be to strap a bomb on yourself and detonate it in the first place. Puh-leeze.

Between brainwashing and greed, it wouldn't be that hard to do, nevermind the fact that groups like that are always compartmentalized, not unlike any other military style group.

You're only going to be told what you need to know to get your part of the job done.




I dont know any one who has the balls to die for something they believe in as much as these fanatics do(would you strap a bomb to your body and blow yourself up for god?)...thats why the war on terrorism is an exercise in futility...these "brainwashed, morons" have no fear of death...only a deeply profound hatred of all Western culture....

warmachine's photo
Tue 09/23/08 01:24 PM

You know, War, you are going against the right media slant on the purpose of the attacks. Too many want to believe the slop they are fed by these "news" organizations that actually further the agenda of this administration and McCain's of warfare with no justification.

Why? Remember the rich are getting richer and the poor poorer just as the old saying goes when republicans are in office. War is big business and the ilk of Bush are not hurting one bit from this illegal war of his.



I disagree with the idea that it's just the right, our media is corporate owned, they're globalism ground zero.


To Symbelmyne- It's not as much a hatred of western culture as it is a reaction to western intervention.

The west has been meddling in that region for a long long time.



warmachine's photo
Thu 09/25/08 01:06 PM
Okay, this is interesting.

Pakistan Investigating US Marine Activity Inside Marriott Hotel Days Before Huge Bombing

Authorities probing into truck load of steel boxes unloaded into hotel in secret by marines

Steve Watson

Wednesday, Sept 24, 2008

Pakistani authorities investigating last Saturday’s huge bombing of the Marriott Hotel in Islamabad are looking into evidence that US marines were occupying two floors just days prior to the blast and were witnessed unloading a truckload of steel cases inside.

“The authorities want to ascertain if it was a routine exercise or part of some special mission that does not have the approval of the government of Pakistan,” Pakistan’s largest newspaper The News reported.

The reports of the mysterious activity first surfaced in the Pakistani media on Sunday.

According to the accounts, several witnesses, including Pakistani government officials, described seeing a US embassy truckload of steel boxes unloaded while all entrances to and from the hotel were locked down at around midnight on the 16th September.

The cases were not taken through security scanners in the hotel’s lobby, but were shifted directly to the fourth and fifth floors, the same floors that fire broke out on after the truck bombing on Saturday.

“Already, the government has got information that several rooms on the fourth floor of the Marriott were in permanent use of the US authorities. Three of these rooms were said to be inter-connected and contained some intelligence equipment and other material allegedly used for espionage,” The News also reported.

The reports have also been picked up in the press in Saudi Arabia and Qatar.

A US embassy statement said that the marines were a routine team of support personnel that often precede and/or accompany certain US government officials, and that the cases contained communication equipment.

Further rumours that several senior officers of the CIA were staying at the hotel at the time of the attack were also strenuously denied by the US embassy statement as “inaccurate, irresponsible, baseless and completely without any foundation whatsoever.”

“Al Qaeda” was quickly portioned with the blame once more just hours after the dust had settled, while the Taliban have also been touted as suspects.

Meanwhile new claims have surfaced linking the bombing to an Islamic fundamentalist group based in Iran.

In our leading article earlier this week which has since been picked up by the Pakistan Daily, we detailed how Pakistan’s new leadership were due to dine at the hotel, but changed the venue at the last minute, according to a senior government official.

This raises the question, whether it be “Al Qaeda”, the Taliban or some other group of anti-American “terrorists”, why would they want to decapitate the new anti-US administration of Pakistan?


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