Topic: Abdication by Palin
warmachine's photo
Sun 09/21/08 12:39 PM

actually, it is telling of yours.

aren't birth certificates a matter of public record?

go look for yourself.

think


Then again, maybe not, if you asked Obama.

http://www.baltimoreexaminer.com/local/L....president_.html

Lawsuit claims Obama not eligible for president

By Luke Broadwater
Examiner Staff Writer 8/26/08
Citing information from Wikipedia and “Inside Edition,” a Pennsylvania attorney filed a federal lawsuit against Democratic Party presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama, claiming he is not a U.S. citizen.

The lawsuit, filed Aug. 21 in the U.S. District Court for eastern Pennsylvania, alleges Obama was born in Kenya, not Hawaii.

Only citizens born in the United States are eligible to become president, according to the U.S. Constitution.

“Stanley Ann Dunham gave birth to Obama in Kenya, after which she flew to Hawaii and registered Obama’s birth,” wrote attorney Philip Berg, of Lafayette Hill, Pa., who runs a Web site called “Obamacrimes.com.”

The Obama campaign did not immediately respond to a request for comment on the lawsuit, but the Illinois senator’s Web site features his Hawaii birth certificate under the heading “Fight The Smears: The Truth about Barack’s birth certificate.”

The campaign site calls a “lie” claims that Obama is not a natural born citizen.

“Senator Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961, after it became a state on August 21st, 1959,” his campaign site states.

“Obama became a citizen at birth under the first section of the 14th Amendment.”

In his lawsuit, Berg writes that the document on Obama’s site is a “forgery.”

He cites discrepancies between Wikipedia’s English and Italian editions, which report Obama as being born in two different Hawaiian hospitals. Wikipedia allows any user to post or alter its information.

In the lawsuit, Berg also writes that Obama lost his citizenship when his mother moved the family to Indonesia and cites an “Inside Edition” report of a school registration form there.

But the University of Pennsylvania’s Annenberg Political Fact Check reviewed the birth certificate posted on Obama’s site and concluded “that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship.”

The political fact-checking organization also said a researcher also has found a birth announcement for Obama published in the Honolulu Advertiser on Aug. 13, 1961.

“We suggest that those who [believe a conspiracy involving a planted birth announcement] should first equip themselves with a high-quality tinfoil hat,” Factcheck.org states. “The evidence is clear: Barack Obama was born in the U.S.A.”

warmachine's photo
Sun 09/21/08 12:40 PM
I don't know how much of it that I buy, but I do find it interesting that Obama's campaign is trying to block the investigators from looking at his Birth certificate.

wouldee's photo
Sun 09/21/08 12:50 PM
Edited by wouldee on Sun 09/21/08 12:54 PM
simple.

subpoena medical records that substantiate his American birth.

Or someone can go to Kenya and talk to his dad and brother, eh?

if he was born at home, there must be a notorietized statement of fact by a witness, nicht wahr?

or which hospital in Hawaii was he born in and which doctor signed the birth certificate?


oh this could get interesting, eh?


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wouldee's photo
Sun 09/21/08 12:52 PM
Edited by wouldee on Sun 09/21/08 12:53 PM
oops.

madisonman's photo
Sun 09/21/08 12:53 PM

actually, it is telling of yours.

aren't birth certificates a matter of public record?

go look for yourself.

think
I have been looking all over the net for the birth certificate if you can find it let me know. All Ican find are pictures of sarah palin 7 months pregnant and she looks non pregnant, all except for one that I suspect is a faked PR pillow shot. Hey if you have real proof let me know I would like to know the truth beyond doubt and a birth certificate would do just that

wouldee's photo
Sun 09/21/08 01:00 PM

http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2007/09/obamas_mother_in_new_ad.html






nobama's own words.


"I remember my mother. She was 53 years old when she died of ovarian cancer, and you know what she was thinking about in the last months of her life? She wasn’t thinking about getting well. She wasn't thinking about coming to terms with her own mortality. She had been diagnosed just as she was transitioning between jobs. And she wasn’t sure whether insurance was going to cover the medical expenses because they might consider this a preexisting condition. I remember just being heartbroken, seeing her struggle through the paperwork and the medical bills and the insurance forms. So, I have seen what it's like when somebody you love is suffering because of a broken health care system. And it's wrong. It's not who we are as a people."



We sure cannot ask her.


think



wouldee's photo
Sun 09/21/08 01:04 PM


actually, it is telling of yours.

aren't birth certificates a matter of public record?

go look for yourself.

think
I have been looking all over the net for the birth certificate if you can find it let me know. All Ican find are pictures of sarah palin 7 months pregnant and she looks non pregnant, all except for one that I suspect is a faked PR pillow shot. Hey if you have real proof let me know I would like to know the truth beyond doubt and a birth certificate would do just that












look here for where to begin your search for public records.



Born: 11 February 1964
Birthplace: Sandpoint, Idaho
Best Known As: John McCain's vice-presidential candidate in 2008

Name at birth: Sarah Louise Heath

Sarah Palin, the first female governor of Alaska, is John McCain's vice-presidential running mate in the elections of 2008. Palin was born in Idaho but moved to Alaska with her family when she was three months old. Two accomplishments from her youth have become especially well known: she played point guard for Wasilla (AK) High School, helping the team win Alaska's small-school championship in 1982, and then placed second in the Miss Alaska contest of 1984. She earned a journalism degree from the University of Idaho in 1987, then returned to Alaska and married Todd Palin, her high school boyfriend, in 1988. After a few brief stints as a TV sportscaster in Anchorage, Palin joined the Wasilla city council in 1992, then served as the city's mayor from 1996-2002. She became Alaska's first female governor on 4 December 2006 after running a campaign based on ethics and clean government. Two years later, in a surprise selection, McCain made her the Republican Party's first female candidate for vice president.


Palin announced on 1 September 2008 that her 17-year-old daughter, Bristol, was pregnant and would marry the father of the child... Wasilla is located 35 miles north of Anchorage. According to the city's website in September 2008, the population is 7028 people... Palin has been called a "hockey mom" -- an Alaskan play on soccer mom... Her high school basketball nickname was "Sarah Barracuda"... The Palins have five children: son Track (b. 1989), daughters Bristol (b. 1991), Willow (b. 1995), and Piper (b. 2001), and son Trig (b. 2008). Trig, who has Down Syndrome, was born while Palin was governor. Track Palin joined the US Army in 2007.


http://www.answers.com/topic/sarah-palin

wouldee's photo
Sun 09/21/08 01:05 PM
http://www.cityofsandpoint.com/

wouldee's photo
Sun 09/21/08 01:08 PM
http://www.vitalchek.com/

here is where you can order birth certificates.

wouldee's photo
Sun 09/21/08 01:08 PM
meanwhile, nobama is in stealth mode. huh?


think

madisonman's photo
Sun 09/21/08 01:10 PM

http://www.cityofsandpoint.com/
sorry it didnt help. It would be realy simple to have that birth certificate released ya know? well off to bigger and better things if ya find it let me know

wouldee's photo
Sun 09/21/08 01:44 PM

http://www.scribd.com/doc/191954/Barack-Obama-Wikipedia-Biography


==Early life and career==
{{main|Early life and career of Barack Obama}}

Barack Obama was born on August 4, 1961, in [[Honolulu, Hawaii|Honolulu]], [[Hawaii]], to [[Barack Obama, Sr.]], a black [[Kenyan]] of [[Nyang’oma Kogelo]], [[Siaya District]], [[Kenya]], and [[Ann Dunham]], a [[White American]] from [[Wichita, Kansas|Wichita]], [[Kansas]].<ref>{{cite web|publisher=my.barackobama.com |url=http://my.barackobama.com/page/invite/birthcert |title=The truth about Barack's birth certificate |accessdate= 2008-06-13}}</ref> His parents met while attending the [[University of Hawaii at Manoa]], where his father was a foreign student.<ref>Obama (1995), pp. 9–10. For book excerpts, see {{cite news | title=Barack Obama: Creation of Tales|date=2004-11-01 | url=http://www.nationmedia.com/EastAfrican/01112004/Features/PA2-2212.html | work=East African | accessdate=2008-04-13}}</ref> They separated when he was two years old and later divorced.<ref>Obama (1995), pp. 125–126. See also: {{cite news | first=Tim | last=Jones | title=Obama's Mom: Not Just a Girl from Kansas | date=2007-03-27 | url=http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/chi-0703270151mar27,1,3372079.story?coll=chi-news-hed | work=Chicago Tribune | accessdate=2008-04-13}}</ref> Obama's father returned to Kenya and saw his son only once more before dying in an automobile accident in 1982.<ref>{{cite news | first=Kevin | last=Merida | title=The Ghost of a Father | date=2007-12-14 |

wouldee's photo
Sun 09/21/08 01:52 PM
Edited by wouldee on Sun 09/21/08 01:53 PM
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html


go to this site to see photos of obsama's birth certificate, if in fact it is a legitimate one.

certificate of live birth is the official title of legitimate docs, isn't it?

something is fishy here.













Born in the U.S.A.
August 21, 2008
Updated: August 26, 2008
The truth about Obama's birth certificate.
Summary
In June, the Obama campaign released a digitally scanned image of his birth certificate to quell speculative charges that he might not be a natural-born citizen. But the image prompted more blog-based skepticism about the document's authenticity. And recently, author Jerome Corsi, whose book attacks Obama, said in a TV interview that the birth certificate the campaign has is "fake."

We beg to differ. FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.

Analysis
Since we first wrote about Obama's birth certificate on June 16, speculation on his citizenship has continued apace. Some claim that Obama posted a fake birth certificate to his Web page. That charge leaped from the blogosphere to the mainstream media earlier this week when Jerome Corsi, author of a book attacking Obama, repeated the claim in an Aug. 15 interview with Steve Doocy on Fox News.

Corsi: Well, what would be really helpful is if Senator Obama would release primary documents like his birth certificate. The campaign has a false, fake birth certificate posted on their website. How is anybody supposed to really piece together his life?

Doocy: What do you mean they have a "false birth certificate" on their Web site?

Corsi: The original birth certificate of Obama has never been released, and the campaign refuses to release it.

Doocy: Well, couldn't it just be a State of Hawaii-produced duplicate?

Corsi: No, it's a -- there's been good analysis of it on the Internet, and it's been shown to have watermarks from Photoshop. It's a fake document that's on the Web site right now, and the original birth certificate the campaign refuses to produce.


Corsi isn't the only skeptic claiming that the document is a forgery. Among the most frequent objections we saw on forums, blogs and e-mails are:

The birth certificate doesn't have a raised seal.
It isn't signed.
No creases from folding are evident in the scanned version.

In the zoomed-in view, there's a strange halo around the letters.
The certificate number is blacked out.
The date bleeding through from the back seems to say "2007," but the document wasn't released until 2008.
The document is a "certification of birth," not a "certificate of birth."


Recently FactCheck representatives got a chance to spend some time with the birth certificate, and we can attest to the fact that it is real and three-dimensional and resides at the Obama headquarters in Chicago. We can assure readers that the certificate does bear a raised seal, and that it's stamped on the back by Hawaii state registrar Alvin T. Onaka (who uses a signature stamp rather than signing individual birth certificates). We even brought home a few photographs.



think


t22learner's photo
Sun 09/21/08 01:59 PM
Fear of Obama. Nothing more.

wouldee's photo
Sun 09/21/08 02:25 PM
you miss the point.

the infant Palin's birth certificate is questioned and a greater controversy surrounds obama's birthplace.


It is apparent that controversy surrpounds everything on the American political landscape.

i just took a little of the hyperbole flinging around in this thread and actually took the time to do the most simple of things and give a helping hand to those in need of having their questions resolved.

anybody can carry the ball and look into anything for themselves.

I am merely pointing out that Americans don't really want to make the effort, and i get this kind of rhetorical response for actually being responsible enough to show a little due diligence.

If more did this, the debate would center on the facts of the issues and not the purloined eomtions of the emotioally distraught Americans that freeze up when faced with actually participating in being constructive in some way while this country flounders in apathy and complacency and neglect of duty.

Something you cannot see.

Step back a bit and and be a little more objective and not so apt to ridicule things you cannot comprehend for yourself.

Your opinion of me speaks to your need, not my incompetence.



think

t22learner's photo
Sun 09/21/08 02:46 PM
Spare me your lecture. I do my research, write my own posts and post references. Oh, and I have never raised the issue of the infant or the daughter. In fact, I've stated my opinion that these issues are off the table for discussion.

wouldee's photo
Sun 09/21/08 02:49 PM
it just galls you, doesn't it?


it's always about you.

you...you...you....

spare me the lectures......


what do you call your little shortsided snipes, learner?

bon mots?

pearls of wisdom?


rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl

t22learner's photo
Sun 09/21/08 02:52 PM
You were addressing me. I responded. What's your problem?

wouldee's photo
Sun 09/21/08 03:48 PM
you have no explanation for calling dissent anything but fear of obama.

no substance, no argument, no substantiation, nothing credible, and that only becuase you had mischaracterized my posts about birth certificates with your subjective personal prejudice and filter, and when given the perspective you lacked of my motives, which was genuinely and siincerely and respectfully offered to you...

...you come back with reminding me that you need no lectures.

That's funny


And now it's me having a problem.


same story there too.

It's somehow about you...you...you.




All I gather is that you get out of this that I am afraid of Obama and I have a problem with you telling me that.

And all of that based on a completely different conversation not about you.


how rude.


keep drinking that KOOL AID.


drinks drinks drinks drinks drinks drinks



t22learner's photo
Sun 09/21/08 03:52 PM
Yep. It's all about me and "KOOL-AID." Whatever YOU say, Woody!