The "fig tree" is a sign of FLESHY Israel,throughout the old testament - spiritual Israel is personofied by the ""olive tree"" to try to fit the prophecy of jesus into the nation of Israel being reborn in 1946/47 is crap!!

the NEW Israel is mans doing not gods doing!!

Fleshy?

fleshy
Pronunciation: \ˈfle-shē\
Function: adjective
Inflected Form(s): flesh·i·er; flesh·i·est
Date: 14th century
1 a: marked by, consisting of, or resembling flesh b: marked by abundant flesh ; especially : corpulent
2 a: succulent , pulpy <the fleshy texture of a melon> b: not thin, dry, or membranous <fleshy fungi>
— flesh·i·ness noun


in this case, biblically it refers to earth bound human man as compared to spiritual man.

Hello tribo That is so true.

Prov 27:18
8 Whoever keeps the fig tree will eat its fruit;
So he who waits on his master will be honored
NKJV

Jer 8:12-17
2 Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination?
No! They were not at all ashamed,
Nor did they know how to blush.
Therefore they shall fall among those who fall;
In the time of their punishment
They shall be cast down," says Yahweh.

13 "I will surely consume them," says Yahweh.
"No grapes shall be on the vine,
Nor figs on the fig tree ,
And the leaf shall fade;
And the things I have given them shall pass away from them."'"

14 "Why do we sit still?
Assemble yourselves,
And let us enter the fortified cities,
And let us be silent there.
For Yahweh our Elohim has put us to silence
And given us water of gall to drink,
Because we have sinned against Yahweh.

15 "We looked for peace, but no good came;
And for a time of health, and there was trouble!
16 The snorting of His horses was heard from Dan.
The whole land trembled at the sound of the neighing of His strong ones;
For they have come and devoured the land and all that is in it,
The city and those who dwell in it."

17 "For behold, I will send serpents among you,
Vipers which cannot be charmed,
And they shall bite you," says Yahweh.
NKJV

Dan and the Fig Tree... Good Book..Shalom...Miles

thnx - sunalei[dawn] galunadi [sky]

tsila -

ah, then you agree it's not about Israel's rebirth as the futurist think??

Israel did become a nation again in 1948

some say 46/47, others in the 60's

I believe that began the generation of the fig tree, ushering in the last and final generation, now as to what a generation is, not sure, it is given several times as 20, 40 60 and other amounts of time so can't say, none of us can know, I guess a generation will be whatever God wants it to be.

Lots of things must still come to pass before that time but they are happening more and more as time goes on.

Mans thing, Gods thing, we have to decide for ourselves if at all, I do know that I will certainly be glad when we have the answers.

To each his own though.

what's up Tribo?

found the reading you mentioned in another area, thanks for sharing, haven't had the time to read it yet, but it is saved so I can go to it from time to time.

We are told what a generation is in Ps 90. fits to a T..shalom...Miles

If your sayig that a "generation" is 70-80 yrs., i disagree, here's why to many times it talks of more than "one" generation being present at one time together - so if many generations mean each at 70-80 yrs it would mean that a generation is looked upon as less than that when it talks of more than one living/present generation. don't you think?

if you read all that pertains to the prophets and jesus as to the fig tree designation it's clear that fleshy Israel is meant by that term, they were the one's destroyed by gods wrath in AD 70, the spiritual Israel was told to flee which they did and escaped all that befell jerusalem and the temple, they headed the warning told to them by Jesus and the disciples. What is present today in the area has nothing to do with the so called re-birth of Israel thought by the futurist, it is of mans doing not gods. their is no levite priestly sect offering sacrifices, there is nor will be no temple established by god in which he will dwell, there is no promises left to them - god utterly destroyed the sacrificial system so if it is ever set up again it will not be gods doing but mans, the political Zionist do not have a godly agenda nor was it god who moved them to go back to there former place, that was actions done by those who wanted presence there for reasons other than godly ones. Read some good books on Zionism and it's foundations if you'd like more on this - shalom.

maybe just things created by mortals.....

in the biblical sense, anything not spiritual but of flesh measning man in the instances used, thnx david.

The only thing that may be "spiritual" as to what god reffers to - in todays israel is if there are christian jews living their, which i'm sure there are, though how many i cant say, but agian this is not whats being taken into concideration here - it's this - is this "rebirth of god? no!

what is the greatest sin all of YAHWEH created......

to see and believe and find truths that make others as less equal.....

could not YAHWEH being al powerful open any eyes to see whole truth, since al powerful?

was not a lack of sight of equality first created by god himself, to give comaprsion of what greater truth was......

are not comaprisons as "poonits of reference" needed for all things, and why all things as created by any YAHWEH as the same...

why is there night and day...

cold and hot....

hate and love....

can the two NOT exist whjile mortal, or the other ceases to exist.....

seems all things are as perfect, or there could exist no perfect god.....

this maortal preception of anything called as god cuts off anything from the sight of "god", which was said to see all men as created equal....

if all men are created equal, then all have equal inspirations, equal insights, equal atributes....

not ALL THE SAME....

were any insights as all the same in text even, lol.....

if one man has an anger issue, then is not this balanced out with a greater attribute with some atribute of so called "love"......

so the anger issue teach the same man, perfect strength thru his weakness, or he would not anything ot learn, so then what purpose of mortal life?

if one man is of greater IQ, then his NATURAL INCLINATION, is to think all others are LESS EQUAL, his strength of IQ creating his weakness, making him blind to others as eqaul, until he see his strength is his weakness, therefore true strength coming form seeing WHAT makes one weak of sight of equality, creationg divisivness, and causing him to see others as "evil", as is not all "evil" created by seeing others as less equal......

how can one murder if they see their neighbors life as equally precious as his own....

so all good atrributes, as well as all atrributes called as less good, TEACH greater wisdom, seems to bring to see thru experience, of believing in self most, as greater than others, that this lead to blindness of many things, that lead to failure, which then so called failure allow the greater sight of all as equal....

what is of peace, that does not find belief, that show HOW all things are equal, if the great sight of GOD was as all things are equal....

if any believe in god, then does god look down and see some as holy and some as not holy.....

would not to see thru this "sight" of god equality then, be to look thru the same truth "god" knows, so would not "HE" have to look thru eyes that see all as part holy, and all as part not holy, which create a crossing out of the other, or balance, seeing then equality......

can unequality of sight ever create equality of sight.....

can unequality IN ANYTHING, ever create ANY EQUALITY....NEVER

if "god" is of peace, it is not seen how any other truth could create peace, as the mere possibilty is procluded by not seeing first thru equality, and if god is not of peace, than he would be as mortal man, that has NEVER since the beginning of time been able to achieve peace for all, so then would not this mean it had to be a false god, if there is any god......

truth of "god" would have to be as a better, or more knowing truth, of what good is it, than mortal, of such exist as god.....

can god come back and murder many to create peace, as how can unpeace create peace....

it has no choice but to create more of the same as witnessed down thru the ages....

peace

Tribo

Yahweh does not tell you distinctly what a generation is like Ps. 90 does without this being what it is.

Where in scripture does it say so plainly what a generation is as does Ps 90?

The wilderness does not which so many have said 40 years. It does not say that it says this generation will die off and not see the promice land and it took 40 years. Moses was 120 years old..Shalom..Miles

correct - by no means am i saying a generation is 40 yrs. my friend, nor do i take 70-80 to be either - i take that literally to mean a "life span" the days of a man, but you know as well as i do there are those that lived and are living longer than what god said would be a lifespan so what do we do with that if god said it would be limited to 70-80 yrs??? - Did god make a mistake?? if he as you believe spoke what the psamist said to david, then is god not a liar if man lives longer than 70-80 yrs.?? what say you oh prophet of god??

is not anything not as spiritual, of flesh....

can spiritual be seen, as opposed to fleshy....

a house can be seen, but love cannot....

the attributes of love, as defined by each one as many different things, can be called as love, but love itself cannot be seen.....

if i see a man kiss a women, is this sight of love....

a hug....

a kiss and a hug can also be of betrayal, and from hate, and evil, so this is not to see love, so then these such things are subjective to interpretation, determined by what is WISHED to be BELIEVED as love....

so spiritual would seem to be things as coming from outside the mortal conscious realm, or as from an immortal realm, and other conscious or fleshy perceptions as based on conscious sight, hearing, taste, smell, and touch......

a man decides to build a physical house...

the thoughts needed to draw data from, to create a physical house, are to build a flesh thing, so these thoughts are of "fleshy", or for mortal need to building a house to live in while mortal......

if a man wish to love, or have understanding of others, or wisdom, then the thoughts to create these things are not as to build fleshy or mortal things, but to build things of greater eseence of value, as these cannot be burned, destroyed, erased, as all mortal things can be.....

is love of flesh or mortal.....any believe in god, then god was called as love, than it seems such things trancends flesh, or mortal time, but passes into the other realm, as lasting, or immortal, or no beginning or end.....

ifn one believe love is created from a staring point, than it is missed, that all things that were not of MOST LOVE, were also part of the creation of love, as how can love exist before a seeing and living and knowing of all that was not of MMOST LOVE, so then all is a part of the creation of love.....

seemes the meaning of "as one came into the world, all goes out.......or back to origin in the same way.....
if love was called as of god, and god is immortal, then all that love are of immortal right, and if all things are needed as opposites to create anything, such as cold water is need to create hot, and hot and cold to make warm, then all things are as one, and only mortal break them into beginning of what is good, and what is bad......

so thoughts that build things fleshy, are used to facilitate flesh life while mortal, and thoughts of greater essence, of unseen or spiritual things, are to build and create things as taken with abck to origin, such as understandings of how all things work together as one, to create al things, a knowing that onnly flesh or mortal could provide......

just ideas......peace

Ps 90:1-91:1

Yahweh, You have been our dwelling place in all generations. 2 Before the mountains were brought forth,Or ever You had formed the earth and the world,Even from everlasting to everlasting, You are Elohim.
3 You turn man to destruction,And say,"Return, O children of men." 4 For a thousand years in Your sight Are like yesterday when it is past,And like a watch in the night. 5 You carry them away like a flood;They are like a sleep.In the morning they are like grass which grows up: 6 In the morning it flourishes and grows up;In the evening it is cut down and withers.
7 For we have been consumed by Your anger,And by Your wrath we are terrified. 8 You have set our iniquities before You,Our secret sins in the light of Your countenance. 9 For all our days have passed away in Your wrath;We finish our years like a sigh. 10 The days of our lives are seventy years;And if by reason of strength they are eighty years,Yet their boast is only labor and sorrow;For it is soon cut off, and we fly away. 11 Who knows the power of Your anger?For as the fear of You, so is Your wrath. 12 So teach us to number our days,That we may gain a heart of wisdom.
13 Return, O Yahweh!How long?And have compassion on Your servants. 14 Oh, satisfy us early with Your mercy,That we may rejoice and be glad all our days! 15 Make us glad according to the days in which You have afflicted us,The years in which we have seen evil. 16 Let Your work appear to Your servants,And Your glory to their children. 17 And let the beauty of Yahweh our Elohim be upon us,And establish the work of our hands for us;Yes, establish the work of our hands.

P
NKJV


10 The days of our lives are seventy years;And if by reason of strength they are eighty years,Yet their boast is only labor and sorrow;For it is soon cut off, and we fly away.


This is very tell telling of when Moses is speaking of. He speaks of at the end of this Generation we FLY AWAY.. This not the common Rapture therory although it does point to this.

1 Thess 4:13-18

But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Yahshua died and rose again, even so Yahweh will bring with Him those who sleep in Yahshua.

15 For this we say to you by the word of Yahweh, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of Yahweh will by no means precede those who are asleep. 16 For Yahweh Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of Elohim. And the dead in Messiah will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet Yahweh in the air. And thus we shall always be with Yahweh. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.
NKJV

Notice v 14 talks of those who sleep.. Death is said many times in the Ps. and elsewhere Yahshua even said Lazerus sleeps. Yet he had been dead 4 days surpassing the right of true death at the end of 3 days. Which the pharasees adhered to.

Then verse 17 speaks of his return with those who are alive are caught up.

This very well could be the reason for 2 different sets of believers. In Rev 14 and 15.

Because of satans powers after the 2 witnesses are killed. He goes after the REMNANT of the woman.

Not the woman it speaks the woman is taken away to a place prepared for her.

So anyway I am going to far and getting off topic.

Moses is speaking to this generation today from the start of the Prophecy of that Generation would not be more than 80 years. But he as Yahshua did is telling us to watch. Possibly the last ten years. Which would symbolize a great many things of Yahweh's Judgements. It just gets worse and worse.

I have my own Idea when this started and it is not the forming of Israel.But like i say my idea.

Shalom...Miles

PS.. This is no doubt speaking as I was rereading look at what he speaks of at the beginning. This whole Ps is for us today.

the "whole bible" is for today my freind, not just the psalms, but that does not mean that all the events are for today does it? No, we will continue this after you have read chilton's book and then examine these things my griend,

shalom, peace, nuwadohiyadu