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catwoman96's photo
Sat 08/30/08 01:06 PM
poor pam..she's grieving..
1 Denial
2 Anger
3 Bargaining
4 Depression
5 Acceptance

i can understand the loss she must feel for her husbands sickness. BUT anyone is going to have a hard time telling me that our healthcare system is not AWESOME right now today.

BUT talk about oil giants....drug companies are just as bad. supply and demand.
My advice, find a secure job, get decent benefits, and well......we cannot save everyone. Im sorry, but some things are beyond miracles.

AllSmilesInTulsa's photo
Sat 08/30/08 01:52 PM
Edited by AllSmilesInTulsa on Sat 08/30/08 01:52 PM
KerryO, you stated:

Do you know anything about the HIPAA Act of 1996? It could possibly be the reason I'm still alive. It allowed me to keep the insurance I needed to get the advanced medical care I needed for a congenital condition that often kills people.

How did an act intended to protect your health information allow you to keep your insurance?


KerryO's photo
Sat 08/30/08 02:44 PM


How did an act intended to protect your health information allow you to keep your insurance?




HIPAA stands for Health Insurance PORTABILITY and Accountability Act. Key word: Portabilitly, in my case, as described in Title 1 of the act. From Wikipedia:



Title I: Health Care Access, Portability, and Renewability

Title I of HIPAA regulates the availability and breadth of group health plans and certain individual health insurance policies. It amended the Employee Retirement Income Security Act, the Public Health Service Act, and the Internal Revenue Code.

Title I also limits restrictions that a group health plan can place on benefits for preexisting conditions. Group health plans may refuse to provide benefits relating to preexisting conditions for a period of 12 months after enrollment in the plan or 18 months in the case of late enrollment. However, individuals may reduce this exclusion period if they had group health plan coverage or health insurance prior to enrolling in the plan. Title I allows individuals to reduce the exclusion period by the amount of time that they had “creditable coverage” prior to enrolling in the plan and after any “significant breaks” in coverage. “Creditable coverage” is defined quite broadly and includes nearly all group and individual health plans, Medicare, and Medicaid. A “significant break” in coverage is defined as any 63 day period without any creditable coverage.



Along with COBRA, it works to protect those who are unfortunate enough to suffer major illnesses during transition times in their lives from losing their coverage.

I doubt the big insurance companies like either very much, because they would just LOVE to rid themselves of people like me who turn from premium-paying asset to a claim-filing liability. 'Cause if you think your insurance company is your friend, I have a bridge in Brooklyn I can sell you at a cut-rate price.

-Kerry O.

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Sat 08/30/08 05:57 PM
Edited by voileazur on Sat 08/30/08 06:38 PM

poor pam..she's grieving..
1 Denial
2 Anger
3 Bargaining
4 Depression
5 Acceptance

i can understand the loss she must feel for her husbands sickness. BUT anyone is going to have a hard time telling me that our healthcare system is not AWESOME right now today.

BUT talk about oil giants....drug companies are just as bad. supply and demand.
My advice, find a secure job, get decent benefits, and well......we cannot save everyone. Im sorry, but some things are beyond miracles.




Nothing personal 'catwoman', ... but 'WOW' !!!

PAM and her husband had secure jobs and decent benefits!!!

That is the whole point!!! You're missing it entirely!!!

They are not asking you to save them!

They are not asking for miracles!

What they are saying is ENOUGH WITH THE LIES AND MISREPRESENTATIONS offering benefits when you don't really need them, and cutting them off when you do need them!!!

You say the healthcare system is AWESOME.

Have you ever been in the kind of situation PAM and her husband have been in, along with hundreds of thousands of others, when making the AWESOME claim???

AWESOME as you apply it to the healthcare system means nothing to hundreds of thousands like PAM and her husband whom had jobs and health coverage, and lost both their jobs, and health coverage,

... because they stricken with serious illnesses!!! (could no longer work, lost their jobs, and the benefits that come with it.

Please 'catwoman', don't go and repeat to those people that the system is AWESOME!!! Or, too bad it didn't work out for them, WE CAN'T SAVE EVERYONE!!!

It is seriously missing the point, and it is seriously beyound partisanship.

Respectfully.


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Sat 08/30/08 06:15 PM


poor pam..she's grieving..
1 Denial
2 Anger
3 Bargaining
4 Depression
5 Acceptance

i can understand the loss she must feel for her husbands sickness. BUT anyone is going to have a hard time telling me that our healthcare system is not AWESOME right now today.

BUT talk about oil giants....drug companies are just as bad. supply and demand.
My advice, find a secure job, get decent benefits, and well......we cannot save everyone. Im sorry, but some things are beyond miracles.




Nothing personal 'catwoman', ... but 'WOW' !!!

more like "duh".....frustrated

catwoman96's photo
Sat 08/30/08 06:37 PM


poor pam..she's grieving..
1 Denial
2 Anger
3 Bargaining
4 Depression
5 Acceptance

i can understand the loss she must feel for her husbands sickness. BUT anyone is going to have a hard time telling me that our healthcare system is not AWESOME right now today.

BUT talk about oil giants....drug companies are just as bad. supply and demand.
My advice, find a secure job, get decent benefits, and well......we cannot save everyone. Im sorry, but some things are beyond miracles.




Nothing personal 'catwoman', ... but 'WOW' !!!


life is rolling with the punches. sh!t happens. very little is secure. I could damage my back at work tonight and lose my house.
Whose fault is this???
should i sit andtears tears ??

If iwas to be sad becuase somebody couldnt pay their medical bills and was sick with something or other...I would probably not leave my durn house

Im not gonna buy a sad story about medical bills. what about her house and her family?? now that is something to cry for. but not reason to renounce a politcal party..

of course, im just guessing, I did not see the broadcast. maybe I would tooo have a change of heart, idk

I work with a woman who has cancer throughout her lungs. she makes it to work as much as she can. and when a time comes when she cant there is disability insurance....short and long term...



catwoman96's photo
Sat 08/30/08 08:08 PM
if you dont go to work you do lose your job.
if you are sick you get disability

i see it everyday. everday
sucks for them, they both got sick.

diasbility does not give you all the money you would get from a full time job, but it gives you a lot.

if she had good benefits....she had disability benefits. 60% of her pervious income. plus medical needs

plus social security benefits

catwoman96's photo
Sat 08/30/08 08:14 PM
and LOL, our healthcare system is AWESOME. surgery with robots, small tiny incisions, organ transplants, bone marrow transplants, 3D MRI scan, cardiac monitoring.....
its truly amazing......

KerryO's photo
Sun 08/31/08 02:58 AM

and LOL, our healthcare system is AWESOME. surgery with robots, small tiny incisions, organ transplants, bone marrow transplants, 3D MRI scan, cardiac monitoring.....
its truly amazing......


...and working in the field, I probably have a better insight into this than most people. But, having been a patient, I can relate a LOT of things about 'the system' that you don't find about until you've been through it.

It's not the technology, it's the system in place to deliver, bill and pay for it that's slapdash.


-Kerry O.

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Sun 08/31/08 06:32 AM


I am watching MSNBC coverage of Mr. Obama's acceptance speech for the nomination of the Democratic Party for the Presidency of the United States. A few moments ago a woman named "Pam" stepped up on the stage to talk about what happened to her. This was one profile of a handful of Americans who now support Mr. Obama and were invited to share their reasons. As it turns out, Pam was nothing short of eager.

You see, Pam and her husband used to have good jobs, a retirement plan, good health benefits and were even able to save some money. Then eight years ago, all of that changed. Pam's husband suffered some heart related health issues and lost his job and with it many of the benefits. A short time later, Pam herself had bypass surgery and was unable to pay all of the medical bills.

And that is why Pam is voting for Mr. Obama.

Consider the following an open letter to Pam:

Dear Pam,

I was sorry to hear of the health problems that plagued you and your husband. You mentioned that everything regarding the stability of your life changed eight years ago when your husband suffered heart related health issues. What I am trying to figure out Pam is whether or not you are blaming President Bush for your husband's health issues? That his health decline began eight years ago is an odd little factoid to be sure but I'm struggling to figure out what you think would have been different had they occurred ten years ago under President Clinton's tenure??

Pam, no one wants you or your husband to suffer from poor health. Still, I'm trying to understand what you think would have been different about your outcomes had a Democrat been in office? Perhaps you'll get back to us on that but in the event that you don't here are a few things you might want to consider.

1. Go easy on the idea that somehow the fact that your husband got sick at the time President Bush came into office is anything other than a coincidence.

2. If you are voting for Mr. Obama because your husband got sick when President Bush was in office then you are truly overestimating the power, job function, and role of the president and possess a staggering lack of deductive reasoning.

3. You stated that you used to be a Republican, but no longer. Wow, you'll be missed, really. I can only leave you with the following suggestion.

**Stop looking for someone to blame for every bad deal that befalls your family. Equating your struggles on such a personal level with the person sitting in the White House is not only horrible logic but might be one of the most self-centered, egotistical and vacant comments I've ever heard.

Wow, thanks Pam.

-Drew


Drew,

Most of the time your posts are pretty well thought out, but I'm afraid you're talking through your hat on this one.

I've been there. Have you?

Do you know anything about the HIPAA Act of 1996? It could possibly be the reason I'm still alive. It allowed me to keep the insurance I needed to get the advanced medical care I needed for a congenital condition that often kills people.

To be fair, HIPAA of '96 was passed because some Republicans crossed the aisle on this one because they thought it was a better compromise than what Hillary Clinton's commission came up with, but I don't believe it would have been a done deal without the Clintons and some stalwart Democrats not giving in on key provisions.

As far as what the Bush Administration did to undermine the prospects for very unlucky people, consider what the Bush Republicans did to bankruptcy law. I any needs the 'compassionate conservatism', it's someone who, through no fault of their own, finds themselves in the godawful state.

Hopefully, you'll never have to find out the hard way what a mess certain segments of the health care industry are in or how your insurance company will screw you over every way and chance they get.

Oh, and before you try to say I got something for nothing? I've always made health insurance one of my priorities and have done without other things to have been continuously insured since I got out of high school.

-Kerry O.

Hi Kerry:

As I work in a hospital I am very much aware of HIPPA but I'm not entirely sure that is what Pam was talking about when she was on stage a few night ago. First, let me back up for a moment and tell you on a personal level that I am glad, to whatever extent you needed it, you were able to seek and receive medical services when you needed the most. I too have had an occasion to need medical care, and though none of it (at this time) was as severe as Pam's and I presume your own, I am extraordinarily grateful that there was insurance available, that I had a job that provided good insurance and that I was taken care of.

That stated, the implication that Pam left the crowd (and here I'll back that up only in that there was applause for her position as it related to voting for Senator Obama due--at least in part--to her health care difficulties) was that according to Pam, everything changed eight years ago--we just don't know what as it relates to Pam.

The issue I have with her speech is that she gave no detail, no background, there was simply no context. It came across as, "Before President Bush, our health was fine--after President Bush took office, our benefits were not there.)

It's not that it is bad material, it's just that it does not take us anywhere. There was a link she was trying to produce but I was left wondering where I might find the correlation.

Part of this is that I have grown weary of President Bush becoming the target for every ill that has befallen the world over the past eight years. I recognize that there are a number of people who hold him responsible for a number of things and those people are well within their rights to do so. But it is difficult to listen to a woman who was working (she did not mention otherwise) in the private sector the year President Bush was elected state that she's voting for Obama---and leave out the link between her medical event and a man being sworn in a great distance away.

Had she pointed to a Govt. issue, something that GWB enacted that caused the issue to become more difficult then at least I'd have the chance to evaluate her position.

Regarding bankruptcy, I know that the laws have changed but I also know that horribly high medical bills is still a valid and legitimate reason to file--and people still do so--In my position, I see and even read about it.

The bottom line here is that Pam failed to give a single reason why she felt that GWB coming into office played even a small role in her health concerns. But that did not stop the crowd from cheering in response. I just don't know if they knew what they were applauding for.) She did not mention why her insurance did not pay or why, if they did, it still left them in dire financial trouble. We just don't know what happened and the "what" is important.

If her issues were somehow caused by our current President then I'd sure like to know in what way if for no other reason than it would most likely shed some light on why a lifetime Republican like Pam is suddenly and without much in the way of a stated reason, voting for Mr. Obama.

-Drew

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Sun 08/31/08 04:21 PM
Edited by catwoman96 on Sun 08/31/08 04:23 PM


and LOL, our healthcare system is AWESOME. surgery with robots, small tiny incisions, organ transplants, bone marrow transplants, 3D MRI scan, cardiac monitoring.....
its truly amazing......


...and working in the field, I probably have a better insight into this than most people. But, having been a patient, I can relate a LOT of things about 'the system' that you don't find about until you've been through it.

It's not the technology, it's the system in place to deliver, bill and pay for it that's slapdash.


-Kerry O.


Ya, I work at the bedside. although I dont concern myself with how much money my patient does or does not have. I do understand that insurance and medical bills are OVERPRICED. technology comes at a price. I cared for ayoung man a month ago...he was 24, with AMS....had a very young 6 month old baby who was all he could talk about. i spent 12 hours with him we only talked about his son and his symptoms. and pray that the one million dollar bone marrow transplant was successful.

for me, its more than slapdash...and its more than a bill. and i dont need to see some chic whining about her bills on tv. not when I know she probably has diability insurance anyway.
medical treatments and supplies are overpriced. But to me, LIFE and saving and improving life is worth that cost. shes talking and shes walking...that alone is enough for me...

MirrorMirror's photo
Sun 08/31/08 05:08 PM

do you know obama wasnt even born in the united states?
glasses neither was Juan McCainglasses

KerryO's photo
Sun 08/31/08 06:55 PM



Ya, I work at the bedside. although I dont concern myself with how much money my patient does or does not have. I do understand that insurance and medical bills are OVERPRICED. technology comes at a price. I cared for ayoung man a month ago...he was 24, with AMS....had a very young 6 month old baby who was all he could talk about. i spent 12 hours with him we only talked about his son and his symptoms. and pray that the one million dollar bone marrow transplant was successful.

for me, its more than slapdash...and its more than a bill. and i dont need to see some chic whining about her bills on tv. not when I know she probably has diability insurance anyway.
medical treatments and supplies are overpriced. But to me, LIFE and saving and improving life is worth that cost. shes talking and shes walking...that alone is enough for me...


I think that if you were to check this out, you'd find her husband _had_ disability insurance that was cancelled by the issuing company citing some lame paperwork excuse. It's really funny how paperwork goes missing or was done incorrectly when there's lots of money at stake.

Funny too, that until recently in a lot of states, hospitals and health care providers could bill for medical mistakes, and when the insurance companies refused to pay for them, the patient was left holding the bag. Sometimes, even having been turned over to collection agencies until they 'whined' enough and sought the counsel of ambulance chasers.

But you don't want to hear that. You're a True Believer who has not had your faith tested by having had to actually go through this yourself.

Get back to me when that happens and we'll compare notes.

-Kerry O.

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Sun 08/31/08 07:18 PM
Drew,

Thank you for your polite reply.

I didn't watch the convention, and probably wouldn't have watched it even if I had the time. I've lost faith in both parties, and I would agree that the Democrats are not above putting on Political Theater For Effect. It's why I'll never register as anything other than Independent.

You mentioned that people can still declare bankruptcy to seek relief from crushing medical bills. That's true, as far as it goes-- what changed in the Bush years was the type of bankruptcy available to them. Where you used to be able to plead your case directly to a judge for a total discharge under Chapter 7, the newest legislation (2005) takes some of that power from the Federal bankruptcy judges by forcing people with middle class incomes into Chapter 13 with means testing instead. When Democrats tried to place amendments with better exemptions for medical debt, the Republicans used their majorities in both houses to shut them down.


From there, they often fall into the jaws of the credit card industry and 30+% interest rates that used to be illegal under the usury laws. As far as I recall, repeal of those statutes also happened under the aegis of the Bush Administration. Desperate to just merely eat, they'll put groceries on a credit card they got at a teaser rate with a lot of hidden shennanigans in the contract and get sucked into an ever increasing spiral of debt.

You're seeing the effects of that now. Personal bankruptcies are at an all-time high and the credit card companies are finding out you can't get blood from turnips no matter how high the interest rate is. Yet, there's the Bush Administration, itself a terrible steward of the nation's finances by piling up record deficits, wagging its finger at people with crushing medical debt telling them to be responsible and quit whining. _Even_ as they're comptemplating that biggest of Bush Family B-words for the financial industries, the Bailout.

Even Ripley wouldn't believe the irony implicit in that one.


-Kerry O.

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Sun 08/31/08 07:22 PM
Edited by catwoman96 on Sun 08/31/08 07:29 PM




Ya, I work at the bedside. although I dont concern myself with how much money my patient does or does not have. I do understand that insurance and medical bills are OVERPRICED. technology comes at a price. I cared for ayoung man a month ago...he was 24, with AMS....had a very young 6 month old baby who was all he could talk about. i spent 12 hours with him we only talked about his son and his symptoms. and pray that the one million dollar bone marrow transplant was successful.

for me, its more than slapdash...and its more than a bill. and i dont need to see some chic whining about her bills on tv. not when I know she probably has diability insurance anyway.
medical treatments and supplies are overpriced. But to me, LIFE and saving and improving life is worth that cost. shes talking and shes walking...that alone is enough for me...


I think that if you were to check this out, you'd find her husband _had_ disability insurance that was cancelled by the issuing company citing some lame paperwork excuse. It's really funny how paperwork goes missing or was done incorrectly when there's lots of money at stake.

Funny too, that until recently in a lot of states, hospitals and health care providers could bill for medical mistakes, and when the insurance companies refused to pay for them, the patient was left holding the bag. Sometimes, even having been turned over to collection agencies until they 'whined' enough and sought the counsel of ambulance chasers.

But you don't want to hear that. You're a True Believer who has not had your faith tested by having had to actually go through this yourself.

Get back to me when that happens and we'll compare notes.

-Kerry O.


I work in a hospital, although I dont do any case managment work. I know that sometimes claims can be denied. BUT when they are, there has to be a good reason. Length of stay, etc....
Im not saying our system is perfect. and that it is not expensive.

and yes, if I myself was a victim of insurance malpractice or denial of claims, I would fight the insurance companies.

BUT as of YET, our insurance companies are not completly government controlled.
IF you believe that the governemnt would do a better job at it, then KEWL. I do not seeing it happen though.
even more rules and regulations then.

medical bills can screw up a persons life...YUP
illness can destroy it...very true
I do not blame the governement for this.
or even the insurance companies.
Sh!t happens...more than i would like, LOL

anyone can see themselves as a victim if they choose to do so. I think it is a horrible campaign tactic for a president to allow this woman to continue to bask in her "victimized" feelings.

but then at the end of the day how much money I got in the bank or if my medical bills are paid or not...doesnt truly affect me. I am happy for the moment to be healthy and alive.

I am thankful for the life i have and the ones i help make through acute and chronic illnesses.
ya, it sucks to get the bill in the mail..BUT can the woman not be thankful for what she received???
some people in the world do not even get DECENT healthcare!!!




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