Hmmmm.
Done my time in the military, Cub leader, volunteered during the Ice Storm, done first aid so often that I lost count, prevented 3 suicides. There are those I help regularly that only they know I help because it's nobody else's business. Any of that good for you.

Oh yeah. I feed stray cats at work too.

Well so much for my point...it was lost...la la la

If we are going to wander around here I will say this and it may piss off a few people but here it is. (By the way anyone who's read my posts in this and other forums knows I cannot abide a hypocrite.) No adult should eat meat, eggs or dairy until they have had embraced the opportunity to appreciate how those products come to your table.

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So, we need to rid the world of useless people? Gee, be obedient, take your pill, do not think and be productive for the state?

This way to the showers....

Embrace the rightness and judgment of your betters...

excuse me while I puke....

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You are right I think that people are not so great *PAUSE* but that doesn't mean we cannot aspire to greatness.

You are hurt?

that is too funny


It certainly doesn't seem to effect you,
as to who you go off on
or whose toes you step on...


you totally tried to disrespect the person
who started this thread

& i notice this conceited attitude
from you towards everyone else
in every post of yours i have seen...

don't deny it...
you need to find some humility and some decency towards your fellow human beings...
Some of the points you make,
may be true, in some cases ...

but not all,
& you need to show some respect
& love & compassion if you want to receive it...
and not just go off on people
and make unfounded blatant accusations

Wrong. It would still be the same. Think about it. The other half will keep on living the same way.

I agree. The only difference is that they do not have a voice to proclaim their rights . . . .

maybe not in human language ...


but depending on the species...

they sure can < bark > bite & dig,
screech, squawk,
flap their wings, fly away
scratch and claw and meow,
and a bear or mountain lion
can growl, bite, & eat its prey
& other species can stab, ram , gore
eat & kill when provoked or not...

sure man is their worse enemy...
if not with guns,
then with the rapidly vanishing habitat


but animals have their own built~in defenses too.

So true

"Life is life - whether in a cat, or dog or man. There is no difference there between a cat or a man. The idea of difference is a human conception for man's own advantage."

~Sri Aurobindo

A lot of Humans certainly do act like animals

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygkvjUw5ZEk

There is growing scientific evidence that a diet that incorporates meat, vegetables, fish, grain, fruit etc. is actually very earth friendly. Eating locally first is good for the earth and for our neighbors.

Here is a concept! Moderation in all things.

Along those lines I have a question.

Can someone from PETA explain this to me please? PETA advocates not using animal products like leather and fur. The materials that make up faux fur and leather are mostly if not completely petroleum based. These faux products do not break down in landfills over tens or years but instead take hundreds of years to break down. How is that earth friendly?

I suppose if you want to go around patting yourself on the back for being nice to animals while you create an even bigger problem that's fine. Silly, selfish and short sighted but oh well.

Great quote, I couldnt agree more.

Lynann, the solution isnt as simple as you make it sound. Its not like if we give up using other species as our very own resources that all of a sudden that alone is going to fill up our landfills with plastic.

First thing to realize is this, physics has now granted us the ability to render most plastics back into oil with no waste byproducts . . . .

So why wouldn't we do that? Well its because we would rather throw it all away . . . its not about the animals, its about us humans giving a F#$K enough to change the way we live to make it possible to sort through what we can and can not recycle while being energy efficient.

Its several issues all wrapped up together. We also have no nutritional needs that cannot be met with out meat. << FACT.

I am a vegetarian, I choose not to take life to sustain mine.

Your right i do step on toes but I speak what I fell I am blunt and to the point. I dont try to lie, there is alot of poeple that knows that. Trust me I have been call every thingd in the book plus a new book. I try to the tell truth but poeple are scared of it. I always want some one to tell me the truth good or bad I am man enought to take. The truth isn't always good and yes it does hurt sometimes, but that is want makes us better.

So it ok to dogs and cats in a cage or chain them up and let them starve
Even wild animals in zoos and circus, dont let them run and strech, but it is human to look up a kill in a cgae he allowed a tv and yard time and three squares. Our boys in Iraq get place on trail because some iraqie claims he was abused and our bouy got to jail ut the y are turn loose to do harm again.

What about all the police beatings in this country just because they wear a badge the y can do what ever... THey took the job no one force on them a ceack head has more rights then a poor dog chain up on a five foot chain. Just remeber when they send in the recuse dogs to save some' s ass.


This a topic all you blind liberals cant and dont wish to see.

I will still my life on the line for all you confused poeple but cause it is the right thing to do to keep our rights.

I will not change my stands on this I have seen half the world and how poeple act in different countries.... Yes even my self if i was lost to the world it would still go on.

so go ahead pay for welfare prisons aid to unwed mothers that just have more kids, i have seen it and been part of it.

I have grew up in all aspect of socetiy poor with no food to Hippocrates.

i gave 10 yrs to keep our rights in tact i feel i have the right to voice my opions plus more i vote and dont bitcth about things if there is something i disagree with then I try to find a reasonable solution.

If any one has a problem with it to bad, but if called i will still fight for my country and flag. to protect you all good and bad.

The setting: Somewhere on the plains of Africa

The cast: A baby gazelle, scorching heat, a hungry lioness

The plot: Darwin's Theater


As the baby Gazelle slowly walks the dessert grass, dry, brittle and gold, he takes care to keep his mother in site. She is teaching him, showing him the ways of the harsh world into which he was born. She keeps her head up, quietly moving, separated from the others which....suddenly, she senses something wrong. It is too quiet, she strains to listen, to detect--but hears nothing. Twenty-five yards away, crouched in the wind swept straw, a lioness as been watching, following, stalking. She'll get one chance to separate the two, one burst of energy to capture a meal.

Suddenly she bolts--instantly the gazelle is confused, separated from its mother. Confused and with an I.Q. of 27, it actually runs toward the lion--and then away--but it is too late.

The lion has attacked, sunk her teeth into the still living, crying gazelle. Slowly she drags it through the grass, still alive, kicking, convulsing..finally she snaps the neck with one powerful bite.


Hey, PETA---what about the gazelle? In my stupid little story above, there is a point. I think that the gazelle deserves a bit more of your time and respect. I think the story above illustrates the plight of the four-legged desert wanderer.

As for the real PETA ad. Well, it is fringe ideas like most of the ads PETA comes out with that serve to hurt their cause more than they understand. They have a habit of turning people off by suggesting that a stranger stabbing a man to death in the back of a Greyhound bus is roughly the same thing as pulling in to a Burger King drive-thru. The problem is, unless a person is on drugs or suffering from some sort of weird delusional illness, NO ONE sees that as a balanced and fair-minded approach. The day PETA stops treating everyone but PETA members as genocidal murderers of cows is the day they might--might get some sane people to work with them to reduce animal cruelty.

To Mrtap--good on ya for working to rescue dogs. No one would suggest that your efforts are not done for a good cause. Still, unless you move your operation to a nation that eats Springer Spaniel for dinner each day, I think your comparisons miss the mark.

-Drew

Nature takes care of it self that is part of the food chain not some animal in afour foot cage being scare to death and no water that is not nature and what about all of the animals used in testing use the crack head and murders for those test, I forgot they deserve my tax money.

How would you like to live in cage or be tied up on a five foot chain and that is your world.

I sorry i forgot the welfare mothe with five chirlden just had another here more of tax money.

I have live thru all walks of life, so i do know what Iam talking about. When you where nine did you have cut grass shovel snow find odd jobs to help feed the family. I did so i have very liitle heart for people that dont try

I must disagree with this statement on the fact that cats are smarter than humans.

You never see a cat working jobs to pay off bills and to get money to feed itself. If its hungry, it goes out, kills a bird and eats it. Then sleeps for the rest of the day

Let it all burn

I wish hunting season was in right now. I want to shoot something soooooo freakin bad right now.I guess Im gonna have to set up some bottles to shoot in my yard