How does one obey a God that they can't even define or see or prove even exists?

How do you know who you are obeying?

The story of God telling Isac to kill as a sacrifice, his own son is a good example.

I don't believe God did any such thing. I don't believe God tests people that way. And I certainly don't have any respect for Isac who intended to sacrifice a human boy, his son, for any God.

Those are old pagan blood rituals. That is the God described in the old testament. I wonder how many humans were sacrificed to that God before the ultimate story of the ultimate sacrifice to end all sacrifices came into the picture?

One of the reasons I was given for the killing of the people of Jericho was that they sacrificed their children to some God. Is that supposed to be wrong or something? Apparently not, since the story of Isac being asked to sacrifice his son demonstrates that the Biblical Christian God demanded the same.

Yes, the story continues with a happy ending. A lamb was offered instead as one became caught in the thickets, or so the story goes. But how many deluded people sacrificed their children to that same God who were not so lucky?

How can anyone even think about obeying that kind of command from any God? To kill another human being, even your own child?

But that story is told to teach the lesson of obedience to God. Isac was depicted as a man who was good because he was faithful enough to even kill his own son because his God commanded him to.

That is not good in my eyes. That is blind and dangerous obedience simply because it could be all delusion, or even Satan or some alien posing as God giving these commands.

Know them by their DEEDS. Not by whom the obey.

Don't be one who ever has to explain themself with:

"I was only following orders."

"God instructed me to do it."

It is time to be your own authority. You know what is right and what is not right. Your conscience is your guide. Ultimately, you will pay for your acts and it makes no difference whose orders you were following.


JB

He is very well defined as far as I'm concern. You can't see it, your life.
The fact that I'm breathing air, and I'm alive is more than enough proof for me of His existance. You can't see it, your life.

Me being my own authority. Nah!!! too much arrogance.
I know what is right and what is not because I'm image and likeness of my Heavenly Daddy, thus I can distinguish between good and evil.
Yes, I will pay for my own acts, due to divine justice.

LW,

Being your own final authority is not arrogance, it is responsibility.

I don't mind any authority who is in a leadership position for our benefit as these are necessary leadership roles and the way things work to bring order. Laws are agreements.

All obedience to authority should be with discretion and with personal agreement. I am not encouraging resistance to authority for the sake of resistance.

You can follow all the authority in your life you choose to follow and you may do okay. But there may come a time when someone in an authoritative position tells you to do something that strongly goes against your moral and ethical conscience.

I believe that voice of conscience is the higher authority of anything earthly. You can call it what you wish, I believe it comes from my own higher self. My higher self is the true self, it is the ultimate authority over my little self or life. I can choose to listen to it or not.

If you choose not to listen to your conscience or if you choose to go against any outer authority, you must realize the full consequences of your actions.

By my belief system, I rather think I agree with you because I believe we are all connected to God through our higher selves and that is where our true inner direction come from.

It ultimately comes from God through our higher selves.

The authority I appose comes through other people, governments, the Church, etc. when it demands blind obedience.

Although their authority has its place and may well be correct and useful, your final authority comes from within where you are connected to spirit, the higher self and ultimately God.

JB

That is my Heavenly Daddy talking in a very personal manner to me. There is no way out for me.
I would be very arrogant if I say that is my higher self. Because the reason of my being is not me, it's my Creator, my Father.

You toss around the word "arrogant" a lot as if to call me that.

Is that what you believe? That I am arrogant?

I am nothing without the life force and spirit that sustains me.

It is not "arrogant" to realize that I am part of God and God is part of me. It is in fact, rather humbling.

You believe you are separate from god, and that you are only his creation.

That is your belief not mine. Please do not assume that because I do not believe as you do that makes me "arrogant."

You and I are both NOTHING without that life force that sustains us. It sustains us because we are connected to it.

To me, that makes me part of that which is. Part of God. That is my precious belief, and it is not arrogant" so stop using that word to define what you think I might be because I believe differently than you.

JB

dear lady:
I'm using the first person of the singular (I), that means I would be so and so, in so and so circumstance.
As I said before your life is your life. I'm not here to judge, but to tell you what I believe. And also to tell you that some of the negative views are based upon misconceptions thanks to some so called "christians." (me included when I don't let my Lord act through me).

who told you that?
My Father is in me, but He is so big that He transcends me.
If my Father weren't in me I would not believe in Him.
If my Father weren't in me, my life would not have any sense whatsoever.
None of this means that God and I have the same substance as the pantheist position sustains.

Miguel and Jeannie, There is a hill ahead that gives us view of peace and serenity.

Please let us meet there and just enjoy the scenery.

Well of course you are using the first person, but that does not disguise your opinion in the slightest. In fact, it is glaringly obvious that you are labeling me "arrogant" because I believe in a higher self that guides me and is my true self.

You say you are "not here to judge" but you have already judged me as arrogant dear one. The fact that you deny it shows me that you are not being honest with yourself or me.

That you even call any views "negative" is glaring proof that you have judged someone, blaming their negativity on misconceptions they might have.

You call it "your daddy" I call it "my higher self" because I am connected to it directly and it is me and all of my other incarnations according to my belief.

Don't be so arrogant that you can judge me arrogant. LOL

JB

I will meet you there my brother.
I got tired of banging iron walls

If your father is "in you" but not part of you then he is a some other spirit possessing your body.

Are you in him?

If he is in you and you are in him, then why the resistance to the idea that you are part of each other? Why does that scare you?

Will you ever separate from him? If not, then why the resistance to being part of him?

JB

are you for real? or you are just being funny as you are when you talk about hollographic matrix?
It's not a matter of being scared.
It's a matter of plain logics.
He is in me because He has imprinted in me His image and likeness (not His substance as in the case of my Lord who is the same substance as my Father). I can discern between good and bad because I have traces of my Father within me.
But if I were the same as Him I would need to be a pure spirit.

No I am not being funny, I am very serious. I believe we are all connected and that means to GOD or what ever you want to call THAT.

Yet, I also believe that we are individuals and that we are free to create within this body of GOD (the universe)

But where you rubbed me the wrong way was your suggestion that you believe to think this was was "arrogant."

I took that as being directed to me. I don't think I am arrogant, but maybe I am. In any case, I am who I am and I am nothing without my connection to the Prime Source.

JB

Ive been studying some interesting obedience experiments in my sociology class

Is your teacher a woman? Do the experiments involve black leather and boots and a whip?

J.B.-------In your personal belief system, What are human beings? What do you feel is the "problem for humans"? What is the "solution for humans"? What is your "life after death"? This isnt a "gotcha" question. Im just asking you because you have the most developed personal belief system of anybody here as far as I can tell.

No

Just behavior control experiments that have been conducted on people. Very interesting but very unethical stuff.

The specific difference between humans on earth and galaxy aliens is their spiritual (incarnation) path. (It is not specifically in their genes or their DNA, but I'm sure they play a roll too.)

(There are many species of non-human intelligent life forms living in this galaxy.) Humans evolved from the material and information seeded on this planet. When the primitive creature man evolved to a point were it was designated "human" and began to show signs of self awareness and conscience, they were tampered with by galaxy aliens with the introduction of alien DNA to quicken their evolution to create a more evolved and better designed human body, but not so much that they created more aliens. They remained "human."

The human bodies are animated by either the earth spirit or the higher selves who have come to the earth to experience this world or this game. (The humans animated by the earth spirit are called minions.) The earth spirit is also a higher self, but it is a planetary spirit. Humans not animated by the planetary spirit are animated by a higher self spirit.

The problem humans have is that they don't remember who they are and they don't know about their other lives or their higher self.

They are also unaware of the game they are involved in because of the suspension of their memories. The simple solution for humans is to regain their memory.

This can be accomplished by the raising of their vibrations and getting back in touch with their sixth sense and regain their ability to communicate with their higher selves.

Life after death... reincarnation.

Life after the game, is ascension to the higher self and from there, they move on to the fifth density or some other place. It depends on where they chose to go and what they want to do. They are free to do what they want.

JB

Wow, thats cool Jeanniebean Thanks It sounds very eastern.