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Topic: haliberton-cheney-no bid??
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Tue 03/20/07 08:25 AM
i see stocks at haliberton in the last 4 years went up x5! and then they
happen to get a NO BID contract& some dont think their is money behind
this so called war?... thats why GB and his sidekick keep this iraq
thing going.... what do you think??

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Tue 03/20/07 08:48 AM
Name five corporations who have the resources to rebuild a country from
utilities to roads to housing to school systems and so on...

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Tue 03/20/07 08:54 AM
they are by far the only company that has the resources in place and
the manpower to do the job. The argument that there were no bids is like
saying we should contract out the war to the lowest bidder. cmon.

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Tue 03/20/07 08:57 AM
besides, comerades, is it against the law for a company to make money
these days?

verbatimeb's photo
Tue 03/20/07 09:03 AM
You GO rambill...

lol

newguy's photo
Tue 03/20/07 09:19 AM
I think 4fun06 needs to consider moving to france...he would fit in
quite well over there.
That's just my humble opinion tho.

ShadowEagle's photo
Tue 03/20/07 09:23 AM
newguy kinda looks like a reptilian overseer. He could be the one behind
the reptilian takeover agenda and then again i wonder.

rsaylors's photo
Tue 03/20/07 10:51 AM
"name five"

in the US:

SCHLUMBERGER LTD
TECHNIP ADS
Bechtel Group, Inc.
The US Government
Kohler Co.

Not to mention the numerous other entities internationally and national
governments that are up to the task, including our own. You don't have
to have private entities do this, it's a matter of political philosophy
and simple propaganda put out by well-meaning propagandists.

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Tue 03/20/07 11:00 AM
shadoweagle and 4fun06,

A serious 'webmaster' posting ERROR must have occurred here.

It would appear from my preliminary analyisis, and ongoing discussions
with the 'justsayhi' webmaster, that the answers to your questions,
were mistakenly funnelled from a posting in the "religious chat" section
called, "blind faith".

The webmaster is trying to fix the problem, but I wouldn't hold my
breath if I were you.

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Tue 03/20/07 11:02 AM
Sorry 'rsaylors' didn't mean toleave you out!

You were not there as I was writing about the ERROR on this post!!!

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Tue 03/20/07 11:07 AM
my apologies voileazur.

I entirely get your joke... quite good... not sure how it applies to the
situation thought...

I did research and posted a response... how that's blind faith I'm not
quite sure... maybe you should save your very good 'burn' for a more
appropriate time, like when someone's talking about how the government
would never lie.

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Tue 03/20/07 11:17 AM
I'll bet anything...

... that this 'ERROR' I was referring to earlier, will shoot right back
and generate claims that there are some sort of scandals about each one
of those four companies you've listed 'rsaylors' (the gov't is already
clear),
... and the same 'ERROR' is probably standing by as we speak, ready with
scandals for the hundred other companies that could easily compete and
do a much better job than the Haliburton autocracy.

Remember, this is an 'ERROR' we're dealing with here. ERRORS are never
interested in making sense!!!

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Tue 03/20/07 11:29 AM
I am not sure it is all propaganda...
Sometimes the numbers tell the story.

Halliburton
In 2005 Halliburton employed 106,000 operating in over 120 countries.
This did not include all subsidiaries.

Schlumberger
Employs over 70,000 people in 80 countries.

Bechtel Group, Inc.
Employs 40,000 in nearly 46 countries. (what does nearly mean?)

Kohler Co.
31,000 associates worldwide. (associates ?)

Technip ADS
Employs 22,000 people worldwide.

I doubt the US Gov could employee itself legally, however I do think
some of the numbers above are inflated for appearances. Propaganda?
Possibly, but truly, I question that too.

I am not trying to poke holes here. Just interjecting some of the
possible reasoning behind not taking bids.

Only "the shadow" knows. LOL.

:wink:

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Tue 03/20/07 11:40 AM
We employ ourselves publicly all the time, it's a matter of
privatization philosophy that has us using HB. I can see the argument
for not using non-national firms but I can also see the argument for
using whoever won't cost the American tax-payer as much and still get
the job done.

If you look at the 2 companies under HB you'll notice they add up to
more than HB and if you broke the contracts down I'm sure you would
divvy the work up in such a way that the same guy delivering your
sandwiches wasn't the same guy delivering your e-mail.

On the one hand you have a free-market, anti-public-sector, philosophy;
on the other hand you've got a lack of competition... the one thing that
makes private better than public.

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Tue 03/20/07 01:12 PM
Before 1995, year where Cheney joined Haliburton, the company was 73rd
in size, on the long list of defense contractors.

In the course of Cheney's tenure as CEO, Halliburton's revenue from
federal government contracts, which represented 65% of total revenu,
nearly doubled. Such that by the time he retired from Halliburon to
run for Vice President, the company had moved up fom 73rd to 18th
largest defense contractor. Fair game I say.

When the Iraq and Afghanistan reconstruction and Governement services
contracts came up, circa 2003, the five companies 'rsaylors' pointed
out had higher revenues and much greater overall resources than
Halliburton at the time.

If size alone had been the factor, Halliburton would not even have
appeared on the radar. No argument could have supported the logic that
Halliburton was at the time the ONLY adequate or better supplier of
defense services to the US Governement, ... to the extent of eliminating
all other candidates. On the contrary.

The question isn't to deny Halliburton the fair possibility of winning
'some' of the defense contracts by merit. The question which remains to
this day is 'why was Halliburton favored so', ... when absolutely
nothing justified it.

There's no need to even start analysing all the actual and presumed
lawsuits and contract irregularities that Halliburton is facing in
relation to this file. Intervening with our free-enterprise system when
nothing justifies it, IS ABUSIVE, and will bring abusive results from
the ones involved. And that 'should be' most un-American.

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Tue 03/20/07 04:05 PM
hey bill..79... you are so wrong!! thats why haliberton is over there to
make a buck!... dude they are not over there for FREE!!!.... keep it
real!

gary86's photo
Tue 03/20/07 04:54 PM
yes so does war. right cheney . now that dems in charge let see them
wiggle out of this.

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Tue 03/20/07 05:00 PM
hell yah thier there to make money. is that illegal now?

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Tue 03/20/07 05:02 PM
amway has lots of emplyees too. so does Mcdonalds. Whats the point?
Halliburton is the only contractor that can do the job period. get
used to it.

gary86's photo
Tue 03/20/07 05:04 PM
yes really awful funny was run by cheney.just luck right.

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