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davidben1
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this was posted elsewhere, but i post it here with the horrible typos corrected, lol......
certainally it is seen my ignorant writing skills are increasing, from all the great insight given....... perhaps the perception written of following below is flawed, as no one perception contain all, but any help in seeing how it is would be most appreciated, as only a plea for common guidence and help can lead to more......... seeing that labels are as bad could seem to NEVER lead to more good and brotherhood, but rather to smaller and smaller perception each day, as the list of possible bad labels would have to grow naturally each day as more offense from each is now accepted and recognized as wisdom, and as such more are added to the list, and so each day more offense, less hearing possible, until the list come to a point of what? complete suffication of words that were never as bad except by perception to begin with, and only each mind seeing naturally what anything look like, and the mind simply describe...... is bias supposed to be a dirty rat that if any think they have they are evil? so agenda is as a insidious animal that rip others to shredds? hell, the word cannot hardly be mentioned, and no human alive can exist without agenda's, and is what propell each human, lol..... communication which create understanding which allow love has already become seriously restricted, creating offense at even the slightest twinge of emotion, and any greater common understanding is left by the wayside each day with more enforcment of the preservation of emotions as the holy grail for the guide........ it leads to a complete breakdown of logic and reasoning, and any thinking with the mind and heart, and come to each as only reacting, creating perhaps the most regressed dumbed down time in human civilization ever.......... what can be the solution........the funnel of this perception now followed can only to a dead end pin point, so the funnel effect of creating such things ourselves would have to be reversed, making and declaring all lables as good, as needed for any perceiving and insightful society, even for the essence of human existence, and this would allow all speech and communication to become free again, and the flow of wisdom welcomed back, and certainally why founders we see that had wisdom created such laws trying to preserve..... no doubt the premise of such would give grave concern for many that care most about not being offended, but did not we learn even in grade school that we would have to become adults, not being threatened by words and ruled by emotions spured from them, or even common learning in a classroom become as impossible, and indeed it almost has........ if there be any one culprit eroding the love, peace, unity, understanding, knowledge, wisdom, happiness for one and for all it would have to be first pinned on such a simple but deadly perception as this, and no one thing even need to be blamed, as what does it matter, but certainally to discontinue what enable and perpetuate this deadly perception would have to be stopped, as what can be the end result but more and more war each day, which will come to no other possible ending but world war.... and this way has been preserved for the sake of an emotion that has no bearing on anything but a feeling........ nothing but sheer insanity could come from such practices as witnessed with each one diagnosed with some mental ailment more each day, and this strongest notion to make and allow only good speech can create such things? what goes into the body physically must come out right? have and are we not not stuffing more and more data into the brain, all such data speaking most in the ways that are condemed as hate speech......... if we stuff murderous pictures in, they have to be able be spoken of freely are they will come to be enacted!!! if we stuff sex and sex and sex in, then one has to be able to speak of it freely, or repressed sexual maniacs soon emerge, with insane notions to satify with rape...... is it not totally apparent what the end result of such practiced will bring.......... what the hell, these have to be able to come out to, and the kids of the next generation are even the most threatened, as these see more and more as called wicked, and then are told they are bad for saying it or doing it........ if things are spoken, no matter how much and how many times needed to excersise out by speaking it aloud, the actual heart CANNOT allow such to be enacted...... it is the perfect self preservation built into each human.... we have created a funnel and poured ourself right down our own drain........... |
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Wow.
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eh?
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LOL...
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this was posted elsewhere, but i post it here with the horrible typos corrected, lol...... certainally it is seen my ignorant writing skills are increasing, from all the great insight given....... perhaps the perception written of following below is flawed, as no one perception contain all, but any help in seeing how it is would be most appreciated, as only a plea for common guidence and help can lead to more......... seeing that labels are as bad could seem to NEVER lead to more good and brotherhood, but rather to smaller and smaller perception each day, as the list of possible bad labels would have to grow naturally each day as more offense from each is now accepted and recognized as wisdom, and as such more are added to the list, and so each day more offense, less hearing possible, until the list come to a point of what? complete suffication of words that were never as bad except by perception to begin with, and only each mind seeing naturally what anything look like, and the mind simply describe...... is bias supposed to be a dirty rat that if any think they have they are evil? so agenda is as a insidious animal that rip others to shredds? hell, the word cannot hardly be mentioned, and no human alive can exist without agenda's, and is what propell each human, lol..... communication which create understanding which allow love has already become seriously restricted, creating offense at even the slightest twinge of emotion, and any greater common understanding is left by the wayside each day with more enforcment of the preservation of emotions as the holy grail for the guide........ it leads to a complete breakdown of logic and reasoning, and any thinking with the mind and heart, and come to each as only reacting, creating perhaps the most regressed dumbed down time in human civilization ever.......... what can be the solution........the funnel of this perception now followed can only to a dead end pin point, so the funnel effect of creating such things ourselves would have to be reversed, making and declaring all lables as good, as needed for any perceiving and insightful society, even for the essence of human existence, and this would allow all speech and communication to become free again, and the flow of wisdom welcomed back, and certainally why founders we see that had wisdom created such laws trying to preserve..... no doubt the premise of such would give grave concern for many that care most about not being offended, but did not we learn even in grade school that we would have to become adults, not being threatened by words and ruled by emotions spured from them, or even common learning in a classroom become as impossible, and indeed it almost has........ if there be any one culprit eroding the love, peace, unity, understanding, knowledge, wisdom, happiness for one and for all it would have to be first pinned on such a simple but deadly perception as this, and no one thing even need to be blamed, as what does it matter, but certainally to discontinue what enable and perpetuate this deadly perception would have to be stopped, as what can be the end result but more and more war each day, which will come to no other possible ending but world war.... and this way has been preserved for the sake of an emotion that has no bearing on anything but a feeling........ nothing but sheer insanity could come from such practices as witnessed with each one diagnosed with some mental ailment more each day, and this strongest notion to make and allow only good speech can create such things? what goes into the body physically must come out right? have and are we not not stuffing more and more data into the brain, all such data speaking most in the ways that are condemed as hate speech......... if we stuff murderous pictures in, they have to be able be spoken of freely are they will come to be enacted!!! if we stuff sex and sex and sex in, then one has to be able to speak of it freely, or repressed sexual maniacs soon emerge, with insane notions to satify with rape...... is it not totally apparent what the end result of such practiced will bring.......... what the hell, these have to be able to come out to, and the kids of the next generation are even the most threatened, as these see more and more as called wicked, and then are told they are bad for saying it or doing it........ if things are spoken, no matter how much and how many times needed to excersise out by speaking it aloud, the actual heart CANNOT allow such to be enacted...... it is the perfect self preservation built into each human.... we have created a funnel and poured ourself right down our own drain........... NO david, we are reaping what we have sown as every generation has done and will continue to do. ad infinitum. |
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Appropriate title. I could say the same...
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Edited by
davidben1
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Sun 08/17/08 07:17 PM
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tribo.....your mind say we are reaping what we have sown?
is this true? yes indeed? how could such be disputed anywhere..... then how have we sown wrong? what do we need to know to sow correctly? would not this be the next step in changing? is not the post explaining how and what we began sowing not seeing what it would create? can one remove all material possiblly offensive to all in the world? |
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Edited by
davidben1
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Sun 08/17/08 07:22 PM
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it is not readily apparent that if one believe in "evil" how this will be created?
what can one call evil and it not increase expidentially the more the list of evil is added to each day, as will not the list grow more each day as all add to the "list" then end of such lead to just where we are right now, truth subverted for emotions....... |
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tribo.....your mind say we are reaping what we have sown? is this true? yes indeed? how could such be disputed anywhere..... then how have we sown wrong? what do we need to know to sow correctly? would not this be the next step in changing? is not the post explaining how and what we began sowing not seeing what it would create? can one remove all material possibel offensive to all in the world? You ask me can one remove all material thats offensive to all in the world - I can only answer that unfortunately "everyone" see's things of offense differently David. something that offends you may not offend me and thats where our freedom lies. Would i wish this were not so? of course But to continue you also ask me: what do we need to know to sow correctly? would not this be the next step in changing? I think we need to know our "core" selves david, and once we do then we can each try to attain to the sowing of good and better things for our children and others. till one knows theirselves and why they do and think and act as they do, no one can tend what is necessary to bring about morals that all can live in harmony by. I'm not sure it can be done - but i do know if its not done then things will be as history shows - the same ad infinitum. So i offer up in my book of tuths something that might help if one can get others to accept the premise david. 18) A people or nation, no matter how wealthy, cannot take care of the worlds hurting masses. Nor will it really know how to until it can properly take care of It’s own hurting masses. When “ALL” of ones own nation are being well fed, dressed, housed, educated, and kept healthy, safe, and employed making an adequate income to meet all their needs, then it will be so clear as to how the rest of the world can be helped to bring them to the same point. Until then, we will all suffer needlessly. that is all i can offer you in reply for noww my friend. 
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Davidben,
have and are we not not stuffing more and more data into the brain, all such data speaking most in the ways that are condemed as hate speech.........
if we stuff murderous pictures in, they have to be able be spoken of freely are they will come to be enacted!!! This is what your observation boils down to for you. But you get this observation in a way that most of us don't like to consider. In another post I explained that labels are the the way that humans have of makeing things easier to relate to, to remember to speak of. It's natural for us to use labels to catagoize. Also, by using labels we can relate in some way to all other humans, even though we will never know them. Some labels are useful and actually help us not to offend people. And then there are those who would use labels offensively. THIS is how labels become, using your word, 'evil'. What you are suggesting is that every individual is responsible for HOW they interpret words. If we interpret, 'evil'then evil is going in. If we interpret enough words as evil than more evil goes in. You are suggesting that one who ALLOWS so much evil to enter themselves, will be more likely to spew the same or comperable evil. I like the way you have said this. Labels are an important part of human communication. While it's up to all of us to be considerate, it is only up to one person, ourselves, how we will interpret what others say. I am a dyke, a lesbian, queer, gay, aggressive, gender bender, transvestite, crossdresser, transgender, fagot, fruit, even a homo. I might further be labeled as a lipstick lesbian, a femme,soft-butch, butch, bull-dyke, queen, womyn - they mean the same to me, no matter what the word. They signify something about me, what that something is (to me) is not bad, I don't care how others use the word - what Davidben says - consider the source. Maybe we should be more compassionate to those who spew evil, for they have taken much of it in. Besides on a lighter note - anyone is not one of those things above - you're either straight or a fag-hags.  So just live with it. Besides we love fag hags 
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what is attempted to be described, is how no evil exist in essence, unless it is believed in, then it is created........
if one believes one lable is "evil" then the reaction to it as "bad" will perpetuate without any conscious awarness a perception within others is is "bad" why the persuit of good as a guide leave a half-perception to be created in the mind, which is not the very mind of each being since time began responsible for all things created? is may seem ludicris no doubt to begin to think that "evil" does not exist, but the root of the thinking evil does is what make it so, and has created each greater evil ever committed......... in other words, to erase "evil" from the planet, one would have to first erase the concept of "evil", and the only start of this is not categorizing words into good and bad ones, as this continue to perpetuate what make all MORE BAD, and make beings wish to war, lol...... it is totally understandable that these premises go against the nature or logic of the mind, but indeed if the premise is not seen, then no ultimate good can ever be created, only a perpetuation of more bad each day as more bad is recognized as what is "bad" and so daily bad grow........ how can a human mind sit and watch all violence, many words said to be as hate speech even in the simplest of cartoons, and then as a society try to restrict speech by some measure unequal to what is being taken into the mind....... either all possible offensive words, pictures, songs, books, etc, etc, would have to be annililated, and of course we know this has been tried, lol....... or all has to be accepted, as it is being taken in more and more each day, and then words spoken that STOP the capacity to expell such things, and when they are tried to be by kids most as the natural way of the human mind to expell what is not most benificial, BAM, we got a "bad" seed here, as the word **** came out of the mouth, lol....... it is a more than a double standard, it is the loss of the human minds way of keeping sanity...... by releasing with words what is not most good! this constant perpetuating of an illusion of good erased seems illogical to all that has ever been taught i know, but it is killing all love and understanding capabilities more each day, as even the drive thru can now be responsible for an offensive speaker, a "bad" attitude........ how does one erase negativity.....IT DOES NOT EXIST....it is the only way......will not the list of what is negative grow more each day the more negativity is seen as "bad", of course... the more anything is worshipped to the left as bad, or to the right as good, then what is created? of course it is what is being focused on as a bad, keeping all other as invisible after some time...... ok, these things are as ignorance to most, but do these care about anything more than being right...... there is only one way.......ALL ****ING THINGS ARE AS EQUAL! PERIOD. THEY ARE WHAT THEY ARE........THE WISDOM TO SEE HOW TO CHANGE WHAT IS NOT LIKED CANNOT COME UNTIL THIS PERCPETION IS AS FORCED BY THE WILL OF THE HEART GAINING CONTROL OVER THE MIND, THAT RUN AWAY WITH FIGMENTS AND CREATE THEM INTO REALITY.... |
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Until then Davidben, until the next human bottleneck, when the population has dwindled to the point that every soul is requird to survive, we are stuck with what we have to work with now.
The best of what we have is what we can best control - oursevles, our own thoughts, words and deeds. |
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again david all i can say is - man at his core is selfish by nature, every evil proceeds from within him and comes forth both good and bad - and all for selfish reasons - even the good man does except in unusual circumstances such as putting themselves in danger to save an innocent life, but even then when this is accoplished man returns to the same selfish nature he is ruled by no matter what his beliefs - even if his belief is that he is not selfish.
as long as man is ruled by this nature things will not change but on an individual basis - one by one, as each looks inside himself for that which cannot be found without. |
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who the hell declared selfish is bad?
to think it is bad make it more, since as each is told they are selfish, now each one sees themself as bad, and what can the mind NOT see as selfish? all one look at with see that more and more is selfish each day, so what has been created..... a world full of people runnign around pointing the finger at infintiy defintions of what selfish be, and then what? bad, lol........ eating can be selfish...... drinking can be selfish..... sex can be selfish...... this leads no where but in a circle that create "evil" perception......... |
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very true david but it is a fact i believe search yourself and see if yu dont do all you do for selfish reasons even the post you make here -
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very true david but it is a fact i believe search yourself and see if yu dont do all you do for selfish reasons even the post you make here -
how does this help help me tribo? |
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again david all i can say is - man at his core is selfish by nature, every evil proceeds from within him and comes forth both good and bad - and all for selfish reasons - even the good man does except in unusual circumstances such as putting themselves in danger to save an innocent life, but even then when this is accoplished man returns to the same selfish nature he is ruled by no matter what his beliefs - even if his belief is that he is not selfish.
as long as man is ruled by this nature things will not change but on an individual basis - one by one, as each looks inside himself for that which cannot be found without. I have to agree with David on this one Tribo. We put 'evil' onto man. It's just a label. We invented it. If you are walking along in the woods with your young child and a bear jumps out of the bushes and mauls your child to death, we don't call that 'evil'. We just say that it was an unfortunate accident. Animals are incapable of 'evil' by our very definition of it. However, if it had been a human that jumped out of the bushes and murdered your child, now we call it 'evil'. We claim that the human should have known better. But nothing has changed really. An animal killed a child. The only difference is that in one case we fell that the animal should have known better. I'm not supporting the murder in either case. We'd probably kill the bear, and as far as I'm concerned we should just as quickly kill the human murder to put it out of its sick demented misery. But why bother with labeling one event a mere accident, whilst the other event get's labeled as 'evil'? Now you might think, "Well what about seemingly well-educated men who wear suits and ties and plot evil things can carry them out? Woudln't that be evil?" Not really. It's just a more complex level of demented thinking. All we're really doing is taking demented thinking and labeling that 'evil' like as if it has some absolute existence in and of itself. In fact, we even go as far as to claim that 'evil' comes from somewhere (like maybe the evil side of the spirit world let by some sort of satanic demon). But where's the need for that? Can't we just realize that some human brains are screwed up? Those of use who do not wish to do demented things are very fortunate. I used to sit around discussing this very thing with preachers quite a bit. Why is it that some people do horrible discpicable things that the rest of us would never dream of doing in our wildest nightmares? All minds do not think alike! But labeling the ones that are sick to be 'evil' is just an extral label. Why not just label them as 'sick' and leave it at that? And then we come to Redy's point. What is it that we are labeling 'sick'? And do we even have a right to label things as being 'sick' if they aren't hurting anyone? The vast majority of the population tends to be heterosexual by nature. So they might be offended be the very thought of homosexuality. I know that, for myself, the thought of becoming sexual with another man is extremely undesirable thought for me. However, if two men are perfectly happen being sexual with each other why should I call that 'evil', or even 'sick'. If they are both happy and comfortable with it who am I to label it as being 'sick'? That would be nothing more than a personal preference on my part. If there is any such thing as absolute 'evil' it could only be when a person is being harmed. Otherwise the concept is meaningless. Unless of course it it put in terms of pleasing the desires of some God. In that case it could be evil to wear a pink suit of that God says that wearing pink is against it's likely. Without religion there can be no such thing as evil. All there can be are undesirable situations, and harmful situations. The harmful situations need to be dealt with for the sicknesses they are. The so-called undesirable situation are entirely subjective to the people involed. If the people involved do not see the situation as being undesirable, then for them, it is not. To claim that 'evil' arises from man is a bogus claim. There's just no truth to it at all. It's all just a lable. Nothing more. |
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very true david but it is a fact i believe search yourself and see if yu dont do all you do for selfish reasons even the post you make here -
But did you not make this very post in the hope that someone else might benefit from it? If so, then how was that a selfish act? If not, then you only posted it to see your own words in print. 
Your very post flies in the face of it's own premise Tribo. My comment is offered with the highest of respect I assure you
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Without religion there can be no such thing as evil. All there can be are undesirable situations, and harmful situations.
This is so true IMO James. "Evil" like "Sin" are mostly defined within religious doctrine. We all like to use the words to describe those, who in our opinion, are despicable or cruel. It is a convenient word to use to describe our enemies. I know I have used it a lot. I suppose they describe us with that word too. hmmmmm... what does that mean. That perhaps the word "evil" is an opinion. In the world of "self" we each project ourselves from our observer... what ever that is. Tribo says we are all "selfish." Of course we are, but that does not make us "evil." A child is born and functions through basic survival programing and is mostly "id" and mostly selfish. It cries when it is hungry in the middle of the night. It does not care who it wakes up, it only wants food. It has not developed its "person" yet. As the person develops it learns to care about others, but it's priority is always itself. Spiritually we are still children consumed with ourselves. We are barely conscious of who we are, where we are, and what we should be doing. I agree, it is all about ourselves. We are selfish naturally. We have to learn to share, and we have to learn compassion for others. We have to learn to love. JB |
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very true david but it is a fact i believe search yourself and see if yu dont do all you do for selfish reasons even the post you make here -
But did you not make this very post in the hope that someone else might benefit from it? If so, then how was that a selfish act? If not, then you only posted it to see your own words in print.
Your very post flies in the face of it's own premise Tribo. My comment is offered with the highest of respect I assure you
all your saying is limiting selfishness james, selfish things as i said can be good or bad, that is life - as for my post it is selfish but not a bad selfish it makes me "FEEL GOOD" to try to help others, thats a good selfish, just as you think your helping me with your response correct? their is "SELF" satisfaction in a good act just as there is for others who do things for self gain of anykind - you can try to escape it if you like but you wont be able to easily by any means. at our core is the instinct for "self" preservation, and i see all of what man does both good and evil arising from that self centered core i/we have. Try doing anything james that you think is UN" selfish and let me know how it turns out - no matter what good you do - you will find their is sometype "self" satisfication in your actions. Just as all who do bad get selfish pleasure or glory, or power, or all else in there bad actions as you put it. Try my friend let me know if you suceed to do otherwise ok? -
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