Ahhh,
to never know what the Cold War was and what a real enemies capabilities are.

Russia is not Iraq my friend!!

We cant in this case Mirror!

Because of this ability the Shkval has often been classed as a defensive weapon, used to protect against the Russians inability to run as silent as opposing submarines. Such ideas, however, have been put to rest with the creation of the Shkval II and further guided variants.

With their longer ranger, the Shkval II and newer variants could potentially be launched at a distance of over 60 miles, and home in on their target, with no countermeasures available. As such, a single nuclear equipped Shkval could take out a carrier battle group whilst sitting tens of miles away.

Little is known of current Russian Shkval projects, other than the amazing potential which supercavitational projectiles hold. The capacity to create a supercavitating torpedo/rocket which would race towards a target underwater and then become airborne once nearing a coastline would render any kind of anti ballistic missile shield useless.

The Russian Navy is the primary user of the Shkval.

http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/naval-forces/1173-shkval-awesome-new-torpedo.html

What you going to do Chaz?
I'll tell you you are going to lose Ships!

Yes.....

Silent deep-sea hunter marks its 20-year-long service
This Russian submarine made Americans to come down with money to aid Russia. This sub has been given various names like ‘aircraft carrier killer’, or ‘deep-sea gangster’, or ‘silent hunter’, to name a few. The multi-purpose nuclear-powered submarine K-284 of Project 971 was commissioned June 16, 1984 crowning the efforts of the Design Bureau Malakhit and the Amurskiy Zavod shipyard in Komsomolsk-na-Amure. In total, 15 boats of that class have been built. In 1996, those involved in the creation of the submarine were awarded the State Prize of the Russian Federation

http://english.pravda.ru/main/18/88/351/13258_submarine.html

Dont underestimate Russia!

You're going to lose ships!!

NATO’s classification ‘Akula’ (Shark) given to the newest submarines of the Russian Navy caused confusion since the name of another Soviet sub, Alfa of Project 705, also began with the letter ‘A’. The acoustic signature of K-284 was 12-15 dB lower (i.e. 4-4.5 times) than that of 671RTM, the most noiseless Russian submarine of the previous generation. Improvement in this key parameter of underwater technology placed Russia among the world’s top submarine shipbuilders. The Akula’s design and acoustic signature had been honed throughout the mass production stage.

According to some US experts, the degree of stealth of the improved sub of Project 971 has caught up with that of the US Navy multi-purpose fourth generation submarine Seawolf (SSN-21). Speed, diving depth and ordnance make these ships approximately peer.

They are not Iraq!
The two wars against Iraq have created a whole generation of Americans who believe our military is invincible!

The easy victories accomplished in Iraq with little casualties, will not be the case in a conventional war with Russia.
We could expect heavy losses in men, ships, planes, and tanks. Then, Nuclear war, probably initiated by us!

We will do nothing in Georgia, but hope for a diplomatic resolution.
There is nothing we can do!

The Chinese, using "OLD" Russian tech they purchased!

American military chiefs have been left dumbstruck by an undetected Chinese submarine popping up at the heart of a recent Pacific exercise and close to the vast U.S.S. Kitty Hawk - a 1,000ft supercarrier with 4,500 personnel on board.

By the time it surfaced the 160ft Song Class diesel-electric attack submarine is understood to have sailed within viable range for launching torpedoes or missiles at the carrier.

According to senior Nato officials the incident caused consternation in the U.S. Navy.

The Americans had no idea China's fast-growing submarine fleet had reached such a level of sophistication, or that it posed such a threat.

One Nato figure said the effect was "as big a shock as the Russians launching Sputnik" - a reference to the Soviet Union's first orbiting satellite in 1957 which marked the start of the space age.

The incident, which took place in the ocean between southern Japan and Taiwan, is a major embarrassment for the Pentagon.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-492804/The-uninvited-guest-Chinese-sub-pops-middle-U-S-Navy-exercise-leaving-military-chiefs-red-faced.html

What are you going to do with Russia's long range torpedo tech combined with Stealth submarines?

Your going to lose ships!!!

In January, 2007 China conducted a successful missile test, shooting down a satellite in orbit for the first time.

There goes all the GPS tech we've armed our military with!
If China can do it. I'll guarantee Russia can!

Do you still want to go to war with them?

Not only ships. Check out their new fighter jet. Its AWSOME!!!

The United States could easily take Russia in a military conflict, but given the blatant disregard of military facts in this forum, don't expect that to be the consensus here.

Not only do I believe we can beat them, we also dont cheat at the Olympics. Unlike a certain country's figure skaters.

It's just that they have some Cold War relics lying around and just might have a notion to use them on us if we f*ck with them.

LMAO,
Uh,,,,
LMAO


No facts coming here are there.
Any qualifications at all????

Correct. Our technologically superior nuclear navy trumps the dog slow diesel/electric subs of WW2 technology. They need to surface to recharge their batteries and are limited in fuel capacity. Our subs can submerge for up to twelve years without refueling the core.They are limited by food supply alone.The Seawolf class of subs (Ships float, boats submerge Glenn)were cold war vintage and I believe the last was the Jimmy Carter. The new much faster attack subs were the Virginia Class if I remember correctly and that was in the late seventies so I am sure they have a new class by now. Concerning the Kitty Hawk, she is a diesel powered carrier of the Vietnam era and is like a Hyundai sitting in your driveway. A small carrier compared to the Nimitz class carriers of which all are since the Nimitz, CVN-68, of which I sailed on for three years. It, and its sister ships, are nuclear powered and can run circles around anything the Russians have to offer in the line of carriers although it would never get to that. Carrier battle groups protect the carriers as well as the attack subs that constantly sail with them.

I don't know what reality some people live in. There would be nothing easy about it. When its done and said, China will be able to do what ever it wants to easy, cause Russia and USA will have exhusted their resources.

Well now its offfical!
We've heard from all of the uninformed about the current technologies!

Do you people even read, or do you just type hoping people will believe in Bullshet!!

What a pointless thread about who can kick who's ass.

Glenn, you are quoting sources that are inaccurate. I spent eight years in the military. Three of them aboard a carrier while you were out swatting at mosquitoes. Do you really think you know anything about the Navy? Did you realize you were comparing apples and oranges? Prove me wrong. Moron.

Correct. We should not even be considering going to war with anyone. I was merely pointing out fanta's humerous and uneducated comparison.