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will you freakin pass the mash potatoes already and while you are at it the gravy also 
What? You want seconds already?! |
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will you freakin pass the mash potatoes already and while you are at it the gravy also
What? You want seconds already?!
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Many enjoy mythology
Others believe in religion Some just do astronomy As others have a mission Jeanniebean believes in research As abra just wants decent philosophy As funches has heartburns and needs certs Tribo wants a cocktail and learns mixiology Morningsong praises all day long Jesus As feralcatlady follows closely behind or ahead As LonelyWalker eats a reeses And Spidercrmb preaches what god said Some call arguing a debate And many just can’t relate But don’t we all shi’t, eat, and sleep the same So stop thriving for the two seconds of fame Enjoy your time on these threads And stop taking those life threatening meds Enjoy life and learn to laugh And please finally take a bath!
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Many enjoy mythology Others believe in religion Some just do astronomy As others have a mission Jeanniebean believes in research As abra just wants decent philosophy As funches has heartburns and needs certs Tribo wants a cocktail and learns mixiology Morningsong praises all day long Jesus As feralcatlady follows closely behind or ahead As LonelyWalker eats a reeses And Spidercrmb preaches what god said Some call arguing a debate And many just can’t relate But don’t we all shi’t, eat, and sleep the same So stop thriving for the two seconds of fame Enjoy your time on these threads And stop taking those life threatening meds Enjoy life and learn to laugh And please finally take a bath!
Wow, I'm seeing some creative writings on two different threads. Awesome.  
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Many give God credit for creating everything including our universe? according to believers God didn't create evil... Man did.. which mean that Man created something that God didn't or couldn't ..since God is Love it's possible that God had no concept of what evil was and that this was an instance that man had to show God the way and hand God knowledge.. maybe that why God created Hell because he had no concept of what evil was and therefore has no idea that condemning people to hell is committing evil on his part...surely the believers wasn't going to tell him that roasting people in hell was perhaps..er.. evil so since Man is credited in creating atleast one thing that God didn't would mean that there may be other things that Man have created or will create because God won't or can't or even have a concept that it exist or how to do it so since Man create evil then God is clearly not the creator of everything in the universe which is a contradiction of the bible .. this clearly shall be written in The Third Testament Actually Funches - if you took a little closer look at scripture, you'll find that it was the angels who rebelled against God who created evil -before man, else how could man be enticed into evil? So that drops man from your loop. Where does that leave us? Angels "create????? hmmm? you'll have to show me that one eljay? as far as i know angels can create nothing, only "god" is capable of creating something from nothing according to what i've read, i'll be interested in hearing more about this!! It was in reference to Smiless asking that if God created all things - did he create "actions" (as it were) Such as evil, etc. So again - we come to the point that if a man (or in this case) angel does something (as opposed to being something) is that action attributed to God - or thew one commiting it? That is why the word create was in quotes in my post. If it is attributed to God - then if I create a beautiful work of art - do I get the credit, or my Father and Mother? If I commit a murder - why doesn't my Father and Mother get the blame for it? |
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Many give God credit for creating everything including our universe? according to believers God didn't create evil... Man did.. which mean that Man created something that God didn't or couldn't ..since God is Love it's possible that God had no concept of what evil was and that this was an instance that man had to show God the way and hand God knowledge.. maybe that why God created Hell because he had no concept of what evil was and therefore has no idea that condemning people to hell is committing evil on his part...surely the believers wasn't going to tell him that roasting people in hell was perhaps..er.. evil so since Man is credited in creating atleast one thing that God didn't would mean that there may be other things that Man have created or will create because God won't or can't or even have a concept that it exist or how to do it so since Man create evil then God is clearly not the creator of everything in the universe which is a contradiction of the bible .. this clearly shall be written in The Third Testament Actually Funches - if you took a little closer look at scripture, you'll find that it was the angels who rebelled against God who created evil -before man, else how could man be enticed into evil? So that drops man from your loop. Where does that leave us? You hit the nail on the head Eljay. Except these so-called fallen angels from the sky are just Aliens or inner or extra terrestrials. They are the draconian brotherhood and they are very nasty and "evil" creatures. These creatures were simply mistook for gods and angels. Don't be fooled by humanity's primitive ignorance and their calling them "fallen angels or rebelling angels of god. If these creatures started dropping from the sky today, they would be considered an invading force of aliens, not "fallen angels." That was just the terms for them used and translated by ignorant mankind. JB But why would they be considered an invading force? I saw Close Encounters of The Third Kind. They weren't. |
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Main Entry: 2evil Function: """"noun"""""""""!!!!! Date: before 12th century 1 a: the fact of suffering, misfortune, and wrongdoing b: a cosmic evil force 2: something that brings sorrow, distress, or calamity it may be used as a noun, verb, adverb, etc, it is not "limited to being used as a verb!! because you have spoken on these things before does not mean it was with me, if you don't like repeating yourself then dont post on the thread, your problem not mine or the others. You are correct, evil can be used as a noun. I stand corrected on that point. But the fact remains that "evil" does not exist as an entity. You cannot pick up an "evil". You cannot see an "evil". You cannot small and "evil". Evil exists as an action only. so can i then conclude also that "good" is the same? do i have your permission to do so? if yes then why call god good and the devil evil if this non entity does not exist? and i beg to differ with you i have seen evil, it does exist, it is an entity. though not human in physical nature. Actually - there isn't anything that stands on it's own as evil. The fact that something is considered evil, is only because it is percieved that way. On the other hand - doing something that is evil can extend beyond the scope of mere perception. |
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hmmm? not sure of that one funches - didn't god say to the other gods - man has become like us "knowing both good and "evil"? If he knew of it before man was created wouldn't that mean that it had existed before the creation of man? were the angels not guilty of evil in rebelling against god? did he not say of the tree and call it the tree of knowledge of good and "evil"? it appears evil was around long before man was. i'm not sure as to whether it states in the bibble whether god did or didnot create evil?? i look into it though. I was going with "according to believers" because they will insist that God can do no wrong and that Man created evil but as you said the fact that God created the Tree of Knowledge of good and evil proves that evil existed before Man and that Man is not reasonable for it's creation ..it is therefore ejected from The Third Testament What "believers" are those to whom you are speaking for? "Eljay" well probably every debate on who created evil... Man was always blamed ...but I figure if I use a little reverse physchology and instead say that Man created something that God didn't and that God is not according to the bible the creator of everything in the universe that people would stop blaming Man for creating evil and rightly blame God ...it seem to have worked It all boils down to semantics really. While it is easy to see that evil exists in the world - it is not necessarily a viable premise to extend that back to the point of creation and say this was always so. God created. At some point the angels fell (what we would assume to be the origin of "evil".) The argument then becomes - did the angels rebel "after" the six day creation? If so - evil was not created (per se) by God. Perhaps the "potential" for evil had always existed (hard to assume it didn't, eH) since we know that there was always potential of Good and Evil - for there was a tree that beared a fruit that would bring about the awareness of it. There is - too - the perception of the existance of opposites. Having created good, there also had to be evil. Though this cannot be shown as an absolute truth. |
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What is this evil personification you keep referring back to? Was it a person? Care to elaborate? nope but thanks for asking, that info will be in a book due out 20012-13 if i'm still alive by then. sorry. I doubt by 20012 thee will still be books. 2012 maybe... But (okay, I jest) |
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Many enjoy mythology Others believe in religion Some just do astronomy As others have a mission Jeanniebean believes in research As abra just wants decent philosophy As funches has heartburns and needs certs Tribo wants a cocktail and learns mixiology Morningsong praises all day long Jesus As feralcatlady follows closely behind or ahead As LonelyWalker eats a reeses And Spidercrmb preaches what god said Some call arguing a debate And many just can’t relate But don’t we all shi’t, eat, and sleep the same So stop thriving for the two seconds of fame Enjoy your time on these threads And stop taking those life threatening meds Enjoy life and learn to laugh And please finally take a bath!
Oh no - another poet. Am I in the right forum? |
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I saw a film in which an angel fell to earth but mainly she was interested in "experiencing men" and eating french fries. You have to remember they don’t get a lot of that up in heaven or the cosmos or wherever they normally congregate. This one crash landed. She didn’t create anything either. What no Mcdonalds in Heaven??
If there's a McDonalds, you went to the other place.
(yeah, I know I'm a couple pages late) |
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Main Entry: 2evil Function: """"noun"""""""""!!!!! Date: before 12th century 1 a: the fact of suffering, misfortune, and wrongdoing b: a cosmic evil force 2: something that brings sorrow, distress, or calamity it may be used as a noun, verb, adverb, etc, it is not "limited to being used as a verb!! because you have spoken on these things before does not mean it was with me, if you don't like repeating yourself then dont post on the thread, your problem not mine or the others. You are correct, evil can be used as a noun. I stand corrected on that point. But the fact remains that "evil" does not exist as an entity. You cannot pick up an "evil". You cannot see an "evil". You cannot small and "evil". Evil exists as an action only. Obviously you've never been around any of the girls on 33rd and prospect. (Yeah, I'm still catching up in the mornings readings) |
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Gotta admit, that was pretty funny, and oddly accurate whether it was intended as joke or not.  And for all you Christians, isn’t prostitution considered the “oldest profession” in the Bible? Forgive me, as I am not very knowledgeable but wasn’t Jesus’ girlfriend a known favorite of the Romans? Mary something? I can’t remember her name now? Can you help?
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Mary Magadeline, best Roman silver taking, wait a minute, probably don't want to talk too bad about her, just in case...
There are those that will argue, through the interpretation of the nogstic (that can't be spelled right) bible that Mary wasn't his girlfriend, but in fact his wife. This notion makes sense because under Judaic law at the time, all men were supposed to be married by age twenty. Jesus supposedly did not violate any laws of church or man, ergo... |
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Right. Magdalene was the last name. Thanks. There seemed to sure be a lot of "Mary's" during that time period. Well I think it’s actually arguable what her occupation was exactly. It is somewhat ambiguous as it was for many people in those days. Some even feel that she was not a "prostitute" by trade but was actually a follower of the more ancient religions that predate Christianity. That would seem to make sense also. You have to always keep in mind that Christianity was the "new kid on the block" so to speak. The sexual arts would have been performed as an integral part of worship. High priestesses often had many sexual partners. So you always need to look at things within the context of what was actually occurring and for what reason.
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It's always been my understanding, and I don't know if this is correct (I'm sure Spider will tell me), that Mary Magdeline was the prostitute that Jesus saved from being stoned. (The "he without sin, cast the first stone story)
Now in the times, she might have just been "unclean" and therefor at a stonealbe offense. Unclean doesn't imply prostitution per se, just that she was not "fit" to be in "public." The translation over the years, might have mistook the real reason she was seen to be "unclean." Now of course the point of the story is that all of us are just as guilty as the person standning next to us. Guilt and innoscence is all a matter of timing. Everybody is guilty of something, speeding, parking tickets, late on your taxes, jaywalking, none are without sin before god or man. Because we are all equal in that capacity, none have the right to judge other men's evil. (used as a noun here) |
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Right. And not really buying into the new religion would have possibly put her into a position of being considered "unclean" for continuing to practice her old ways and observe a nature based form of religion. That’s very likely...I don’t think that people just immediately took to Christianity. It might have required some convincing and even then, I’m sure many would have clung to old ways and forms of worship while merely throwing a blanket of Christianity on top for outward appearance.
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It's always been my understanding, and I don't know if this is correct (I'm sure Spider will tell me), that Mary Magdeline was the prostitute that Jesus saved from being stoned. (The "he without sin, cast the first stone story) Now in the times, she might have just been "unclean" and therefor at a stonealbe offense. Unclean doesn't imply prostitution per se, just that she was not "fit" to be in "public." The translation over the years, might have mistook the real reason she was seen to be "unclean." Now of course the point of the story is that all of us are just as guilty as the person standning next to us. Guilt and innoscence is all a matter of timing. Everybody is guilty of something, speeding, parking tickets, late on your taxes, jaywalking, none are without sin before god or man. Because we are all equal in that capacity, none have the right to judge other men's evil. (used as a noun here) Who Mary Magdeline was is a matter of conjecture, the Bible doesn't say. She might have been a prostitute and she might not have been. Personally, I am annoyed by those who say she was. The accusation is without support and the arguments for this position aren't very strong. I think that who she was before she met Jesus should remain a blank and what she did after she met Jesus should be the focus. |
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Personally I don’t even buy into the prostitute assumption at all. I don’t necessarily think anyone can come to that conclusion with any degree of certainty. I think she quite possibly was a woman who had a lot of sex as would have been common during this time period for religious reasons. It would only be post Christianity that a woman who partakes in intimate relations with many sexual partners (both male and female) would be considered “unclean” anyway.
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Personally I don’t even buy into the prostitute assumption at all. I don’t necessarily think anyone can come to that conclusion with any degree of certainty. I think she quite possibly was a woman who had a lot of sex as would have been common during this time period for religious reasons. It would only be post Christianity that a woman who partakes in intimate relations with many sexual partners (both male and female) would be considered “unclean” anyway. 1) That's completely untrue, in Jewish culture, such people would have been outcasts. 2) There is nothing in the scripture that describes Mary Magdelene as even having had sex, she may have been a virgin. |
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