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Topic: Obama says he'll restore freedoms!
Lynann's photo
Wed 07/30/08 06:27 AM
G.W. Bush 7 regular veto, 1 pocket veto 8 total:4 overridden

From Information Please updated today.

Signing Statements. In the first 51/2 years of his presidency, George W. Bush signed more than 1,100 bills and vetoed just one (on stem cells). But the president has issued “signing statements” signaling that he would not comply with approximately 800 provisions included in about 100 laws—issuing more challenges than all previous presidents combined. Many of President Bush's signing statements involved substantial changes to legislation, including his intention to ignore whistle-blower protections for federal employees and to disregard a law forbidding the administration to withhold scientific data requested by Congress. The most controversial of these was the president's exception to the McCain Detainee Amendment, a provision banning “cruel, inhumane, and degrading treatment” of prisoners in American custody, which had passed in the Senate by an overwhelming 90–9 vote. The American Bar Association condemned the practice of signing statements in August, noting that unlike a veto—which permits the president to reject a law, but also grants Congress the opportunity to override the president's veto—signing statements allow the president to sidestep specific provisions of a law without consulting Congress. They in effect give him the power once provided by the line-item veto, a presidential prerogative the Supreme Court struck down in 1998, declaring it an unconstitutional violation of the separation of powers.

Fanta46's photo
Wed 07/30/08 07:35 AM
Edited by Fanta46 on Wed 07/30/08 07:45 AM
7+1+4=12! That's what I said 12 vetoes since 2006!

A signing statement and an executive order are not the same thing!
Both need to be looked at but
This article is about executive orders!

Executive order;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_order_%28United_States%29


Signing statement;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signing_statements


Chazster's photo
Wed 07/30/08 07:38 AM
Yes we would have the freedom to not be able to chose what health care we want because he wants to make us all have socialized health care. Then we will have the freedom to not chose which doctors and specialists we want to see.

Lynann's photo
Wed 07/30/08 02:38 PM
Both executive orders and signing statements are designed to circumvent legislation duly passed by congress.

I know the difference. So does Obama who has pledged to examine both actions.

Check the dates and numbers in congress please of both the parties and check the dates on both vetos and signing statements.

Oh, and I call bull**** on the socialized health care statement proceeding my post. Start a different thread though or Fanta will yell at me haha

cutelildevilsmom's photo
Wed 07/30/08 03:02 PM
yes but can he force someone to invent a bra that doesn't suck?there is the real challenge.support our boobs!!

Fanta46's photo
Wed 07/30/08 05:38 PM

Both executive orders and signing statements are designed to circumvent legislation duly passed by congress.

I know the difference. So does Obama who has pledged to examine both actions.

Check the dates and numbers in congress please of both the parties and check the dates on both vetos and signing statements.

Oh, and I call bull**** on the socialized health care statement proceeding my post. Start a different thread though or Fanta will yell at me haha


Ok, Ok, I see!
For a bit I thought you were being Republican!!laugh laugh

Fanta46's photo
Wed 07/30/08 05:39 PM

yes but can he force someone to invent a bra that doesn't suck?there is the real challenge.support our boobs!!



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