I believe he was showing them and teaching them what was the rightfull spirit of the law.

Paul says Today is the day of salvation.

What could he mean by this?

Noone knows the day of Yahshua's return.

But telling them to repent and accept the spirit then this day is your day of salvation.

With death being as sleep and with this know knowledge of time. and who knows when the day of thier death is. and when we do all awake at the same time if in the 1st ressurrection.

Then Paul boldly says Today is the day of Salvation because you do not know what tommorrow will bring.

They went through for years before the destruction of the temple preaching ,teaching and having new converts to the Way.

Yahshua said in 3 days i will destroy this temple.

I am sure many thought this would happen right after his death.

Destruction of the temple would mean the sacrafices would also could not be done.

This New Temple did come 50 days from his ressurection. When the Holy Spirit entered man.

So the temple was of no use after his rising except for the completion of vows that were made before then.

namely the Nazarite vow of Numbers 6.

We see paul performing this ceromony for 7 days in acts 21. He did this more to prove he kept the law than anything because even the jews have not had the daily sacrifice since ad70.

The return of Yahshua is at the end of the 6000 years since man came on the scene on the 6th day. the 7th he rested as did Yahweh. So this 1000 years when Yahshua is on earth is the rest to the earth as every 7 years is to the land.

I am not sure where you r coming from all these things coming within 30+ years after Yahshua's resserection. Shalom...Miles

MILES:


The return of Yahshua is at the end of the 6000 years since man came on the scene on the 6th day. the 7th he rested as did Yahweh. So this 1000 years when Yahshua is on earth is the rest to the earth as every 7 years is to the land.

I am not sure where you r coming from all these things coming within 30+ years after Yahshua's resserection. Shalom...Miles

TRIBO:

but does not david say in the psalms " a day is like a thousand years" and again " a night is like a thousand years"? would or could that not mean then 12,000 yrs.? i beleive that with god and time it is symbolic, a billion years is like a day unto god.

i'm coming from a prospective that jesus keeps saying "this generation shall not pass away till the signs he'd given the apostles were fullfilled, and those fullfillments took place by AD 70 except possibly his final return on the last day.

did he and the apostles both not talk to others of how these thing would all fall before that generation passed away?

your thought please.

things that took place at the destruction of the temple AD 70

pay close attention to #3 section



CHAPTER 5.

THE GREAT DISTRESS THE JEWS WERE IN UPON THE CONFLAGRATION OF THE HOLY HOUSE. CONCERNING A FALSE PROPHET, AND THE SIGNS THAT PRECEDED THIS DESTRUCTION.

1. WHILE the holy house was on fire, every thing was plundered that came to hand, and ten thousand of those that were caught were slain; nor was there a commiseration of any age, or any reverence of gravity, but children, and old men, and profane persons, and priests were all slain in the same manner; so that this war went round all sorts of men, and brought them to destruction, and as well those that made supplication for their lives, as those that defended themselves by fighting. The flame was also carried a long way, and made an echo, together with the groans of those that were slain; and because this hill was high, and the works at the temple were very great, one would have thought the whole city had been on fire. Nor can one imagine any thing either greater or more terrible than this noise; for there was at once a shout of the Roman legions, who were marching all together, and a sad clamor of the seditious, who were now surrounded with fire and sword. The people also that were left above were beaten back upon the enemy, and under a great consternation, and made sad moans at the calamity they were under; the multitude also that was in the city joined in this outcry with those that were upon the hill. And besides, many of those that were worn away by the famine, and their mouths almost closed, when they saw the fire of the holy house, they exerted their utmost strength, and brake out into groans and outcries again: Pera (17) did also return the echo, as well as the mountains round about [the city,] and augmented the force of the entire noise. Yet was the misery itself more terrible than this disorder; for one would have thought that the hill itself, on which the temple stood, was seething hot, as full of fire on every part of it, that the blood was larger in quantity than the fire, and those that were slain more in number than those that slew them; for the ground did no where appear visible, for the dead bodies that lay on it; but the soldiers went over heaps of those bodies, as they ran upon such as fled from them. And now it was that the multitude of the robbers were thrust out [of the inner court of the temple by the Romans,] and had much ado to get into the outward court, and from thence into the city, while the remainder of the populace fled into the cloister of that outer court. As for the priests, some of them plucked up from the holy house the spikes (18) that were upon it, with their bases, which were made of lead, and shot them at the Romans instead of darts. But then as they gained nothing by so doing, and as the fire burst out upon them, they retired to the wall that was eight cubits broad, and there they tarried; yet did two of these of eminence among them, who might have saved themselves by going over to the Romans, or have borne up with courage, and taken their fortune with the others, throw themselves into the fire, and were burnt together with the holy house; their names were Meirus the son of Belgas, and Joseph the son of Daleus.

2. And now the Romans, judging that it was in vain to spare what was round about the holy house, burnt all those places, as also the remains of the cloisters and the gates, two excepted; the one on the east side, and the other on the south; both which, however, they burnt afterward. They also burnt down the treasury chambers, in which was an immense quantity of money, and an immense number of garments, and other precious goods there reposited; and, to speak all in a few words, there it was that the entire riches of the Jews were heaped up together, while the rich people had there built themselves chambers [to contain such furniture]. The soldiers also came to the rest of the cloisters that were in the outer [court of the] temple, whither the women and children, and a great mixed multitude of the people, fled, in number about six thousand. But before Caesar had determined any thing about these people, or given the commanders any orders relating to them, the soldiers were in such a rage, that they set that cloister on fire; by which means it came to pass that some of these were destroyed by throwing themselves down headlong, and some were burnt in the cloisters themselves. Nor did any one of them escape with his life.

A false prophet (19) was the occasion of these people's destruction, who had made a public proclamation in the city that very day, that God commanded them to get upon the temple, and that there they should receive miraculous signs of their deliverance.

Now there was then a great number of false prophets

suborned by the tyrants to impose on the people, who denounced this to them, that they should wait for deliverance from God; and this was in order to keep them from deserting, and that they might be buoyed up above fear and care by such hopes. Now a man that is in adversity does easily comply with such promises; for when such a seducer makes him believe that he shall be delivered from those miseries which oppress him, then it is that the patient is full of hopes of such his deliverance.

3. Thus were the miserable people persuaded by these deceivers, and such as belied God himself; while they did not attend nor give credit to the signs that were so evident, and did so plainly foretell their future desolation, but, like men infatuated, without either eyes to see or minds to consider, did not regard the denunciations that God made to them.

Thus there was a star (20) resembling a sword, which stood over the city, and a comet, that continued a whole year.

Thus also before the Jews' rebellion, and before those commotions which preceded the war, when the people were come in great crowds to the feast of unleavened bread, on the eighth day of the month Xanthicus, (21) [Nisan,] and at the ninth hour of the night, so great a light shone round the altar and the holy house, that it appeared to be bright day time; which lasted for half an hour.

This light seemed to be a good sign to the unskillful, but was so interpreted by the sacred scribes, as to portend those events that followed immediately upon it.

At the same festival also, a heifer, as she was led by the high priest to be sacrificed, brought forth a lamb in the midst of the temple.

Moreover, the eastern gate of the inner (22) [court of the] temple, which was of brass, and vastly heavy, and had been with difficulty shut by twenty men, and rested upon a basis armed with iron, and had bolts fastened very deep into the firm floor, which was there made of one entire stone, was seen to be opened of its own accord about the sixth hour of the night.

Now those that kept watch in the temple came hereupon running to the captain of the temple, and told him of it; who then came up thither, and not without great difficulty was able to shut the gate again.

This also appeared to the vulgar to be a very happy prodigy, as if God did thereby open them the gate of happiness. But the men of learning understood it, that the security of their holy house was dissolved of its own accord, and that the gate was opened for the advantage of their enemies.

So these publicly declared that the signal foreshowed the desolation that was coming upon them. Besides these, a few days after that feast, on the one and twentieth day of the month Artemisius, [Jyar,]

a certain prodigious and incredible phenomenon appeared: I suppose the account of it would seem to be a fable, were it not related by those that saw it, and were not the events that followed it of so considerable a nature as to deserve such signals;

>>>>[[for, before sun-setting, chariots and troops of soldiers in their armor were seen running about among the clouds, and surrounding of cities.

Moreover, at that feast which we call Pentecost, as the priests were going by night into the inner [court of the temple,] as their custom was, to perform their sacred ministrations, they said that, in the first place, they felt a quaking, and heard a great noise, and after that they heard a sound as of a great multitude, saying, "Let us remove hence."

But, what is still more terrible, there was one Jesus, the son of Ananus, a plebeian and a husbandman, who, four years before the war began, and at a time when the city was in very great peace and prosperity, came to that feast whereon it is our custom for every one to make tabernacles to God in the temple, (23) began on a sudden to cry aloud, "A voice from the east, a voice from the west, a voice from the four winds, a voice against Jerusalem and the holy house, a voice against the bridegrooms and the brides, and a voice against this whole people!"]]<<

This was his cry, as he went about by day and by night, in all the lanes of the city. However, certain of the most eminent among the populace had great indignation at this dire cry of his, and took up the man, and gave him a great number of severe stripes; yet did not he either say any thing for himself, or any thing peculiar to those that chastised him, but still went on with the same words which he cried before. Hereupon our rulers, supposing, as the case proved to be, that this was a sort of divine fury in the man, brought him to the Roman procurator, where he was whipped till his bones were laid bare; yet he did not make any supplication for himself, nor shed any tears, but turning his voice to the most lamentable tone possible, at every stroke of the whip his answer was, "Woe, woe to Jerusalem!"

And when Albinus (for he was then our procurator) asked him, Who he was? and whence he came? and why he uttered such words? he made no manner of reply to what he said, but still did not leave off his melancholy ditty, till Albinus took him to be a madman, and dismissed him.


Now, during all the time that passed before the war began, this man did not go near any of the citizens, nor was seen by them while he said so; but he every day uttered these lamentable words, as if it were his premeditated vow, "Woe, woe to Jerusalem!" Nor did he give ill words to any of those that beat him every day, nor good words to those that gave him food; but this was his reply to all men, and indeed no other than a melancholy presage of what was to come. This cry of his was the loudest at the festivals; and he continued this ditty for seven years and five months, without growing hoarse, or being tired therewith, until the very time that he saw his presage in earnest fulfilled in our siege, when it ceased; for as he was going round upon the wall, he cried out with his utmost force, "Woe, woe to the city again, and to the people, and to the holy house!" And just as he added at the last, "Woe, woe to myself also!" there came a stone out of one of the engines, and smote him, and killed him immediately; and as he was uttering the very same presages he gave up the ghost.

if you take the above accounts to be true, and also paul's words to be true of - we do not fight with flesh and blood but with powers and principalities in the heavens to mean there is a spiritual battle going on in the heavens that is what should be understood, then could it not be that the spiritual battles taking place there in AD 70 were of that type as were described in revelations? could not this have been the battle of "armageddon"? but on a spiritual plane? could not the "rapture and Christ return then not be also on a spiritual plane also? just wondering.

hmmm?

just trying to keep the post current

does it really matter

on which day we worship ?

and shouldn't it be ~ every day ~ anyway ?

Isn't that the most important thing


to be in a daily attitude of praise ?

[ taps fingers patiently ] -

Sorry Tribo just stopped in for a sec. i am going to to it. I apologize for taking so long. Have had some computer problems with software and my usb's refusing to work. I have not forgot about it.. i just glanced at all you have for me. You are going to make me work hard i can see that Shalom...Miles

no hurry miles, take your time -

Seek and you shall find......It's all their at your fingertips just for the asking....Ask for the covering of your eyes to be washed away, for thy ears to be cleansed to truly hear what it is that each of you is meant to know......Each and every person as a purpose seek it....learn and listen for what your purpose truly is.

W.O.W. - is that W.ords O.f W.isdom - or - Words of Woman?

The words of a wise woman tribo-master

then it's WWOW - not wow huh?

hmmmmm let me think about this.......




WOWZA fits better.....



Debbie the Wowza woman.....gigglesnort

YOWZA WWOWZA

I love it tribo-master.......

tanks -

Ok I think we have wasted enough of the thread.....


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and sorry for chatting with the Tribo-Master so much.....but he is soooooo much fun.......and funny.

later deb, enjoy your sunday -