Abra wrote:



Why would He have done it before the flood? The concept of the savior was introduced to Abraham - long after the flood. Are you sure you've read the bible? Maybe it was a l-o-n-g time ago, and you just forgot.

And when God told Abraham to sacrifice Isaac - do you think God didn't know what he was going to do?

Considering the source of all religions is mythology of some sort and the origin of all mythology is man's imagination, it make perfect sense that the stories behind the religions will be flawed. They are after all just stories. The message will be different for each person reading it and that is how it should be. Individuality, although religion has tried to beat it out the patrons, is the joy of man.

Thanks, croco feeder, for keeping us on track!

Here ya have it from merriam-webster.com:
-religious-
1: relating to or manifesting faithful devotion to an acknowledged ultimate reality or deity <a religious person> <religious attitudes>
2: of, relating to, or devoted to religious beliefs or observances <joined a religious order>
3 a: scrupulously and conscientiously faithful

so I guess 'non-religious' is the opposite..yeah?

I think it's perfectly clear that the mythology you're referring to can't have anything to do with God.

We could discuss the same things about why the Greek Gods did all the things they did. They all had agendas and plans too.

Why you are so anxious to believe in a mythology that claims that you have fallen from grace from your creator is beyond me.

Especially in light of the fact, that mankind couldn't have been responsible for the imperfections in the world even if he wanted to be responsible for them.

It's simply not possible Eljay because the dinosaurus were eating each other and dying long before man ever even evolved.

So it's impossible for the Bible to be true.

It's simply impossible.

Yet you'd still like to believe that you've fallen from grace from your creator.

I just don't understand why you are so in love with that notion.

Why are you so anxious to be at odds with your creator?

Why is that so important to you?

Concept of religious versus non religious from my experiences is really simple, religious people are followers and non religious are leaders. I mean this in the basic form not that all non religious are heads of state or CEOs, ect... In their lives religious want guidance, to know their road is right and non religious are willing to test the unknown to see which is the right road.

All I know is that if I'm going to seek a picture of my true nature it's going to have to be in agreement with the real universe.

I would also hope that it turns out to be a happy relationship. I'd truely feel terrible if something I did caused my creator extreme grief.

I most certainly don't believe that I have every done anything in my own personal life that would cause my creator greif. So I'm not buying into religions that want to put me at odds with my creator.

To me that's just a totally unhealthy picture that is totally unwarranted and has no basis in fact.

The origin of Universe. Egyptian:

From the beginning there was nothing but a water chaos called Nun, and from that came the god Atum, who had created himself. From matter taken from his own body, he made the earth-god Geb and his sister (and wife) Nut, the goddess of the sky.
To hold up and fill the sky they had two children, the boy Shu, the god of the air, and a girl Tefnut, goddess of moisture and rain. This family of four was the very foundation upon which the world existed as they represented: earth, water, air and the sky.

The first family

The family from which all people in the world came was of the earth god Geb and his wife Nut, goddess of the sky. They had the twins Shu who was god of the cool dry air and his sister Tefnut, patroness of rain, warm dew and moisture.
Before they had any children they were separated by command of the solar god Re and Geb wept over his loss and his tears made all the seas and oceans of the world.
One legend tells that Re for some reason (possibly jealousy) had become angry with Nut and laid a curse on her telling that none of her coming children could be born on any one day of the year. This was a big setback for Nut and Geb who were just plan- ning to raise a family. In their agony they turned to the god of wisdom - Thoth, for advice. He went to his superior, the shadowy and not often depicted moon-god Aah who was in charge of the Egyptian moon-calendar. This old table of time consisted of 12 months of 30 days together making the moon-year of 360 days.
Thoth made Re a proposition to gamble about the matter and they started to play a game of dice resulting in victory for Thoth. He thereby won the moonlight of the five additional days of the true year (in this case July 14 to 18) and gave it to Geb and Nut who used them for the births of their children. Thus the curse of Re had no effect upon them because their children could all be born outside Aah's moon calendar. In the years to come Nut gave birth to five of the most prominent deities of Egypt:
Year 1 - Osiris. Year 2 - Horus (the Elder). Year 3 - Set. Year 4 - Isis. Year 5 - Nephtys.

http://www.nemo.nu/ibisportal/0egyptintro/1egypt/index.htm

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Headgear

The gods had a lot of different things to put on their heads, and they surely did. In bright contrast to the stereotyped positions of their bodies the painters and sculptors were keen on giving the heads as much attention as possible. This was obviously initiated by pharaoh himself or the priesthood in order to give their favorite gods as much promotion as possible. The different crowns could give a hint where the god originally came from, and by wearing the combined crown for the whole country, the message was given that this god or goddess was important to all Egyptians. To make them conspicuous all crowns, hats etc. were adorned with plumes, horns, snakes, flowers, sun discs, leaves etc painted in bright colors. Especially during the Greco-Roman era the fantasy and elaboration was significant.

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Question: Where did these so-called gods come from?

Theory: Remnants of an advanced civilization.

Question: Are any of these advanced beings still on the earth?

My guess: I believe that's very possible.

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JB

Abra, I know this probably off topic some but if you study the psychologic manipulations of religions, you will understand why the religious must feel unworthy.

It is almost psychological warfare of sorts. Look up the concepts of a cult or creation of a cult. Religions must use these forms of mental manipulation to keep their "sheep" in line and to make the sheep go gather more sheep.

So here we have a god who "created himself."



Here, from the substance of his own body, he created to other gods.



Now the above are gods, not humans if I am reading this correctly.

Yes, I know.

I guess I'm just tried of hearing all the sheep baaaa.

THAAAAAAT's why the bible is impossible to be true?????
C'mon you can do better than that!

We want to discuss the origin of religions in this forum. If you want to rant about the truth or untruth of a particular holy book please start another thread.

JB

yup... but it's too bad that someone can make a movie and say that their version of where a religion came from is the only one truth....

and to stay on topic, Miles' post in another thread really gives a good explanation to this topic:

I am not going to quote the post but he has it almost right there but he misses the whole moral of the story and he misses the effects of the environment on organisms. Evolution comes from the environmental effects on organisms, this is seen in small versions today.

But that still is not on topic. Where did religion orginate? What is the difference between religion and being religious?

A person can look at religions, their history, and understand where they came from and how they evolved without being a preacher of their own. It is a detached view of them.

I can see this is probably not going to happen here. Nobody seems interested in anything but their own beliefs. They don't seem interested in looking at religion in general.

JB

How can you do better than that?

You have a mythology that's making claims that can't possibly be true.

What more proof could you possibly want?

JB, I think only those who are not actively involved in a religion can actually come at it without the passion of their beliefs. I have always tried to make people see it from the bigger picture but to no avail. The bigger picture is that all religions are man made, they all resemble the ones before, their purpose has been to ease fears, explain man's purpose, explain the mysteries of life and this planet and lastly, but not leastly, a form of control through fear and guilt.

But it is also a way of aquiring a superiority to others and a way of fitting in to society with a "good merits" card.

yourcorrect JB, thats what i was trying to get across to V.ain't gonna happen, but i think he knew that also. the only way it might happen, is on a one to one basis where others are not present.

GOD is DOG spelled backwords HMMM???