Topic: The Warriors Bush Forgot!
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Fri 07/18/08 05:45 PM



i have to take a different view on afghanistan. this is one war i support. cant say the same for Iraq. but the taliban. are getting what they deserve. if someone would have not dropped the ball. we could have kicked talibans ass by now.

What about the billions of people who think and believe that 9/11 was not done as the Administration says ?.


Billions?laugh

The world has billions of people and yes billions believe the American Administration is a big LIAR . Those who know nothing at all in life laugh at themselves : poor ,poor little souls .

01tim's photo
Fri 07/18/08 05:50 PM
please put the bong down. i hate the government to. but still think our government has a little care in them.

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Fri 07/18/08 05:56 PM

In the wake of their deaths, the paratroopers have become symbols of what many say is a forgotten war, prompting the U.S. military to draw up plans for putting more troops and resources into the war in Afghanistan.


This was never meant to be remembered. It is KEPT out of sight and the public goes about their business more upset about the low gas prices of the middle east than the loss of lives in a war that this country HAS NEVER GOTTEN BEHIND.

The failure is not in the government, it is in the PEOPLE who ALLOW thier children to fight and die without justification.

I would much rather shower my pride on a child behind bars for refusing to fight for cause that has not been shown to be justified, than to cry my pride over the grave of my child without ever understanding why.

We can blame the government, but what are their numbers compared to the number of POEPLE who should be the voice of the government, the conscience of the government?

Where were these voices when the children were asked to agree to kill and be killed? Where were the intelligent thoughts of our young people when they were asked? Where where the adults standing behind the children with wisdom and support to CHOOSE with logic and heart, instead of some idealistic, romantic notion of heroism. All the years of playing war with their GI Joes and the exciting equipment and gear and oh yes how the government will make it worth "what?"

Speak to those who know the truth of how this government treats their vets. Perhaps, they were never expected to return in the first place?

WE ARE THE GOVERNMENT, WE GAVE CONTROL, ONLY WE CAN GAIN IT BACK.

Stand behind or in front of or beside, those who walk toward to their doom, and tell them, it's ok not to go. It's ok to ask for justification. It's not ok to follow blinly into the absudity of idealism whose foundation is death, destruction, the return of those whose minds are lost forever.

We have failed many - how many more will the silence, and mislaid blame betray?



Most Americans support the fight in Afghanistan, as they should. Its our war if we ever had one. They attacked us on our land and I never hear Americans say we shouldnt be there.
We are not talking about Iraq here. This is the forgotten war!
Have you you forgotten?

I think you must be confused or blind yourself!
You do know where Afghanistan is dont you?


I support this war and think we should draft to fight it to an end!

01tim's photo
Fri 07/18/08 05:57 PM
yes i agree. I'm for war in afghanistan. they had it coming.

Redykeulous's photo
Fri 07/18/08 06:03 PM
Where is the justification? Where is the proof that we belong in any other country than our own, defending our very lives?

Show me the proof?

01tim's photo
Fri 07/18/08 06:05 PM
you want proof. remember the 3000 Americans that died on 9/11. who was hiding bin laden the Taliban. that all the proof i need.

Fanta46's photo
Fri 07/18/08 06:07 PM

Where is the justification? Where is the proof that we belong in any other country than our own, defending our very lives?

Show me the proof?


Dont you remember 9-11?


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Fri 07/18/08 06:13 PM
in war people die[ **** I'm sticking up for America, guess I'm sick]it is a fact of life. we should go to cherokee. get a few of those indian trackers. and hunt bin laden ass down. and have a pubic hanging.

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Fri 07/18/08 07:04 PM
you want proof. remember the 3000 Americans that died on 9/11. who was hiding bin laden the Taliban. that all the proof i need.


My memory is not so good. What were the names of all those involved? Where are their families from and how were we able to tie them to the Afagahnistan government? Where was the information that linked their funding to the source of a war?

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Fri 07/18/08 07:10 PM
Edited by sam53 on Fri 07/18/08 07:11 PM


Where is the justification? Where is the proof that we belong in any other country than our own, defending our very lives?

Show me the proof?


Dont you remember 9-11?



What about the sharp minds who say that it was an inside job.....?.grumble grumble grumble .

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Fri 07/18/08 07:10 PM
Edited by sam53 on Fri 07/18/08 07:11 PM
Double post .

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Fri 07/18/08 07:29 PM
Edited by Fanta46 on Fri 07/18/08 07:29 PM

you want proof. remember the 3000 Americans that died on 9/11. who was hiding bin laden the Taliban. that all the proof i need.


My memory is not so good. What were the names of all those involved? Where are their families from and how were we able to tie them to the Afagahnistan government? Where was the information that linked their funding to the source of a war?


How about a confession?

You aren't one of those conspiracy theorist that believe the government did it are you?

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Fri 07/18/08 07:30 PM



Where is the justification? Where is the proof that we belong in any other country than our own, defending our very lives?

Show me the proof?


Dont you remember 9-11?



What about the sharp minds who say that it was an inside job.....?.grumble grumble grumble .


laugh laugh laugh laugh

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Fri 07/18/08 07:40 PM
How about a confession?

You aren't one of those conspiracy theorist that believe the government did it are you?


I have no such theories, beyond the known role the government played in getting us involved in this war.

I, however, have never felt that conclusive evidence has been shown that would justify fighting a war in another country in the midst of civilians.

JUMPING to conclusions, when human lives are at stake, is not something I would praise anyone for? So why would I stand behind those who would do such a thing?



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Fri 07/18/08 07:57 PM

'It's gonna be a bloodbath,' fallen soldier told father

(CNN) -- Cpl. Gunnar Zwilling suspected that his days were numbered last week, while he and his band of brothers in the 173rd Airborne Brigade Combat Team prepared for a mission near Wanat, Afghanistan.

"It's gonna be a bloodbath," he told his father, Kurt Zwilling, on the phone in what would be their last conversation.

Kurt Zwilling braced himself for the worst but held out hope that his son would make it home.

"They were in the most dangerous place on Earth. They were in mortal danger, and there was nothing they could do it about it," he said. "But they were soldiers, so they had to do their job."

With just a few days left in their 15-month tour, Gunnar Zwilling and eight of his comrades were killed July 13 in a clash with as many as 200 Taliban militants during a mission to set up an outpost near Wanat. It was the deadliest attack on U.S. troops in Afghanistan in three years.

In the wake of their deaths, the paratroopers have become symbols of what many say is a forgotten war, prompting the U.S. military to draw up plans for putting more troops and resources into the war in Afghanistan.

U.S. soldiers killed
The Defense Department on Wednesday identified the U.S. soldiers killed Sunday when their outpost was overrun in Afghanistan.
• 1st Lt. Jonathan P. Brostrom, 24, of Aiea, Hawaii.
• Sgt. Israel Garcia, 24, of Long Beach, California.
• Cpl. Jonathan R. Ayers, 24, of Snellville, Georgia.
• Cpl. Jason M. Bogar, 25, of Seattle, Washington.
• Cpl. Jason D. Hovater, 24, of Clinton, Tennessee.
• Cpl. Matthew B. Phillips, 27, of Jasper, Georgia.
• Cpl. Pruitt A. Rainey, 22, of Haw River, North Carolina.
• Cpl. Gunnar W. Zwilling, 20, of Florissant, Missouri.
• Pfc. Sergio S. Abad, 21, of Morganfield, Kentucky.

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/US/07/17/airborne.soldiers.family/index.html

Each of these mens stories are on the web site I linked. Their reasons for joining the Army were different. Their family's anger at the Bush Administration and the Military is understandably the same.

Michael Phillips, from Jasper, GA, father,
"We're torn between incredible pride and anger. We're having a difficult time reconciling that after 14 months, someone who served his country well and paid his dues, why would he be placed in such a perilous situation?" Phillips said.






Winx's photo
Fri 07/18/08 11:09 PM




i have to take a different view on afghanistan. this is one war i support. cant say the same for Iraq. but the taliban. are getting what they deserve. if someone would have not dropped the ball. we could have kicked talibans ass by now.

What about the billions of people who think and believe that 9/11 was not done as the Administration says ?.


Billions?laugh

The world has billions of people and yes billions believe the American Administration is a big LIAR . Those who know nothing at all in life laugh at themselves : poor ,poor little souls .


And who is laughing at themselves?

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Sat 07/19/08 05:19 AM
Lets not forget who the U.S supported, funded and supplied during the Afgan war to oust the Russians............?????
The Taliban.

Who did the U.S. support in the war between Iraq and Iran?????

Our good buddy Saddam Hussain

Who Did the U.S. support in Iran before the Islamic fundamentalist seized power????

The Shah of Iran


All three were/are thugs, but they were "Our Thugs"

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Sat 07/19/08 05:42 AM

Lets not forget who the U.S supported, funded and supplied during the Afgan war to oust the Russians............?????
The Taliban.

Who did the U.S. support in the war between Iraq and Iran?????

Our good buddy Saddam Hussain

Who Did the U.S. support in Iran before the Islamic fundamentalist seized power????

The Shah of Iran


All three were/are thugs, but they were "Our Thugs"

In politics they are interests and also pure hypocrisy .

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Sat 07/19/08 05:42 AM

Lets not forget who the U.S supported, funded and supplied during the Afgan war to oust the Russians............?????
The Taliban.

Who did the U.S. support in the war between Iraq and Iran?????

Our good buddy Saddam Hussain

Who Did the U.S. support in Iran before the Islamic fundamentalist seized power????

The Shah of Iran


All three were/are thugs, but they were "Our Thugs"

In politics they are interests and also pure hypocrisy .

michiganman3's photo
Sat 07/19/08 05:48 AM
Actually the U.S. supported both sides in varing degrees inthe Iraq-Iran war.

Lets not forget Manuel Noriega either.