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Take a look at slavery

Here are ten passages from the Bible that clearly demonstrate God's position on slavery:

Genesis chapter 17, verse 12:

And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed. He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised.
In this passage God understands that people buy other people and, quite obviously, is comfortable with the concept. God wants slaves circumcised in the same way as non-slaves.
Exodus chapter 12 verse 43:

The Lord said to Moses and Aaron, "These are the regulations for the Passover: No foreigner is to eat of it. Any slave you have bought may eat of it after you have circumcised him, but a temporary resident and a hired worker may not eat of it.
God again shows that he is completely comfortable with the concept of slavery and singles out slaves for special treatment.
Exodus Chapter 21, verse 1:

Now these are the ordinances which you shall set before them. When you buy a Hebrew slave, he shall serve six years, and in the seventh he shall go out free, for nothing. If he comes in single, he shall go out single; if he comes in married, then his wife shall go out with him. If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters, the wife and her children shall be her master's and he shall go out alone. But if the slave plainly says, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children; I will not go out free,' then his master shall bring him to God, and he shall bring him to the door or the doorpost; and his master shall bore his ear through with an awl; and he shall serve him for life.
Here God describes how to become a slave for life, and shows that it is completely acceptable to separate slaves from their families. God also shows that he completely endorses the branding of slaves through mutilation.
Exodus Chapter 21, verse 20:

If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property.
Not only does God condone slavery, but he is also completely comfortable with the concept of beating your slaves, as long as you don't kill them.
Exodus Chapter 21, verse 32:

If the bull gores a male or female slave, the owner must pay thirty shekels of silver to the master of the slave, and the bull must be stoned.
Not only does God condone slavery, but here God places a value on slaves -- 30 shekels of silver. Note that God is not sophisticated enough to understand the concept of inflation. It is now 3,000 years later, and a gored slave is still worth 30 shekels of silver according to God's word.
Leviticus Chapter 22, verse 10:

No one outside a priest's family may eat the sacred offering, nor may the guest of a priest or his hired worker eat it. But if a priest buys a slave with money, or if a slave is born in his household, that slave may eat his food.
Here God shows that the children of slaves are slaves themselves, and that he is completely happy with that concept.
Leviticus Chapter 25, verse 44:

Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can will them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.
Here God states where you may purchase your slaves, and clearly specifies that slaves are property to be bought, sold and handed down.
Luke, Chapter 7, verse 2:

Now a centurion had a slave who was dear to him, who was sick and at the point of death. When he heard of Jesus, he sent to him elders of the Jews, asking him to come and heal his slave. And when they came to Jesus, they besought him earnestly, saying, "He is worthy to have you do this for him, for he loves our nation, and he built us our synagogue." And Jesus went with them. When he was not far from the house, the centurion sent friends to him, saying to him, "Lord, do not trouble yourself, for I am not worthy to have you come under my roof; therefore I did not presume to come to you. But say the word, and let my servant be healed. For I am a man set under authority, with soldiers under me: and I say to one, 'Go,' and he goes; and to another, 'Come,' and he comes; and to my slave, 'Do this,' and he does it." When Jesus heard this he marveled at him, and turned and said to the multitude that followed him, "I tell you, not even in Israel have I found such faith." And when those who had been sent returned to the house, they found the slave well.
Here Jesus shows that he is completely comfortable with the concept of slavery. Jesus heals the slave without any thought of freeing the slave or admonishing the slave's owner.
Colossians, chapter 3, verse 22:

Slaves, obey in everything those who are your earthly masters, not with eyeservice, as men-pleasers, but in singleness of heart, fearing the Lord. Whatever your task, work heartily...
Here God shows that he is in complete acceptance of a slave's position, and encourages slaves to work hard. This sentiment is repeated in Titus, chapter 2 verse 9:

Bid slaves to be submissive to their masters and to give satisfaction in every respect; they are not to be refractory, nor to pilfer, but to show entire and true fidelity.
Once again God shows that he is quite enamored of slavery.
God loves slavery

If the Bible is written by God, and these are the words of the Lord, then you can come to only one possible conclusion: God is an impressive advocate of slavery and is fully supportive of the concept.

As you can see, these slavery passages present us with an immense contradiction:

On the one hand, we all know that slavery is an outrage and a moral abomination. As a result, slavery is now completely illegal throughout the developed world.

On the other hand, most Christians claim that the Bible came from God. In God's Word, the "creator of the universe" states that slavery is perfectly acceptable. Beating your slaves is fine. Enslaving children is fine. Separating slave families is fine. According to the Bible, we should all be practicing slavery today.
The intensity of this contradiction is remarkable. It shows us quite clearly that God is imaginary.

If God were to exist, and if he were playing any role whatsoever on our planet, he would eliminate this connection between himself and slavery. There is no way that a loving God would allow himself to be perceived as condoning and encouraging slavery like this.

Here is the thing that I would like to help you understand: You, as a rational human being, know that slavery is wrong. You know it. That is why every single developed nation in the world has made slavery completely illegal. Human beings make slavery illegal, in direct defiance of God's word, because we all know with complete certainty that slavery is an abomination.

What does your common sense now tell you about a Bible that supports slavery in both the Old and the New Testaments? Given the fact that the Bible clearly condones slavery, your common sense should be telling you that God is imaginary.

About Slavery and the Bible.
What you have to unerstand was that they had endentured servants in those days, called slaves. They were working off a debt, or working to obtain a repayment of what was owed to the owner. It was not true slavery. The Jews were true slaves to the Egyption Govenment for 720 years. God freed the Hebrew slaves, and Moses was there great deliverer. To say that God condones slavery is a lie. God dealt with slavery, He did not condone it. That was the doctrine of men, not of God. If God condoned slavery, then He would not have set the Jewish people free. This is just an example of how somebody takes passages from the Bible and twists them to mean what they want them to mean to support their own opinions. God is real.

God also sent Abraham Lincoln to free the slaves of the South in the United States. It was God's will to free the slaves. God hear their prayers and heard their cries and He answered them with freedom. God is real.

the bible was written, re-written and then rewritten by man over and over.

All through histroy people have edited the bible to meet their own needs. Where do you think we got the Kink James version. The Catholics changed chapters and parables so they wouldnt conflict. This is all well document and accpeted by religious historians and scholars.

The bible of today just happens to be the version of today.

Brad, clearly you have not read the passages. There is total contradiction between what YOU have said and believe and what the passages are saying.

Makes me wonder, are you REALLY HEARING and following the voice and guidance of the Holy Spirit? just curious!

I never read the Bible, at least not all of it, but from what I understand, it's been tampered with over the years by the hands of man for personal and political gain, which would make it unreliable and not to be trusted. I would have to see the original copy in it's original translation.

The funny thing about the Holy Spirit though, you don't need to read the Bible for it to speak to you and guide your path.

each human or mortal is a slave to their own body, as what human can exit and return to the body at will.......

is not each mortal a slave then to all mortal things.....

is not each a slave to time that live in time.......

is not a man a slave to being a man, as which one can be female that was created male......

is not a child a slave to childhood.........

is not each mortal a slave to food, and drink, if they wish to remain in the mortal realm........

you have only seen ONE picture of what a slave may be, lol.......

the applications and defintions are endless, and upon this you base your wisdom.......

Thats crazy, God didnt send Abraham Lincoln to free the slaves.

1. Lincoln publicly stated that his goal was to preserve the union, not free the slaves. If his goal had been to free the slaves he woudl have issues the emancipation proclomation at he begining of the war, not well into it.

2. The reason Lincoln issued the emancipation proclomation was becasue England was about to recognize the South as an independent country. England was an abolitonist country, bu issuing the proclomation Loncoln insured the South would not be recognized. Jefferson Davis in response offered to free the slaves as well if england would recognize the South and offer loans.

3. The emancipation proclimation only freed the slaves in Confederate states. Slavery was still legal under federal law in Kentucky, West Virginia, Missouri, Maryland and several territories.

4. Endentured servitude was still legal. If anybody dosnt understand how endentured servitude was slavery please feel free to ask.

5. The last state to outlaw slavery was Arizona when the made endentured servitude of Indians Illegal.

it seems the simple answer then be that the understanding of "god" cannot be all the truth, just as you say........AND I EMPHATICALLY AGREE!

so what be the correct understanding, that lead to peace, as the TRUTH MUST LEAD TO PEACE, and if this be so, than how can a "defective stamp" be put on anything.......ALL THINGS LEAD TO MORE......

will not this lead to more of the same that you see and I AGREE be not peaceful.......

to seek to prove ALL AS TRUE with all dillegence and preserverence, lead to all the half-truths being easily seen, and then also the NEED for them to "once be" is seen, and why to stop here at these conclusions CANNOT lead to peace within, nor peace without.......

NOTHING ATTEMPING TO DISPROVE TRUTH CAN NEVER HAVE NO DOUBT, HOWEVER TO PROVE ALL AS TRUTH WILL LEAD BE THE ONLY THING THAT CAN BRING TO ABSOLUTE "NO DOUBT", WHICH IS WHAT YOU SEEK THE GREATEST.........

perfectly stated.....

We are all slaves now but it won't always be this way ,one day THE LORD is gonna free us all.

i wonder what wisdom you have heard that make you say not god, or jesus, or any man, but just LORD, as within text lord was deemd to be as ALL TRUTH.......certainally what is seen then comes from the same place as all truth come from......