I still don't get it James. I agree we are manifestation of our Creator because as I stated before we are image and likeness of God.
However, to me this does not imply at all that we are the same as God as the pantheism suggest.
It's impossible, we are separate entities with likeness.
It's like the son looks like either of the parents, yet he is not any of them. The son can even behave in some ways like the parents, yet he is not any of them.
I'm a christian and I don't feel God to be separated from me. I feel His presence everyday. I'm blessed everyday with too many things to feel God to be separated from me.
Sometimes, though I choose to walk away from Him, but does not mean He walks away from me.

Just to be a little bit more clear.
I also agree with the idea that God is not He or She because God is a pure spirit. The idea of the sex comes into place when we are talking about beings that need to reproduce which are humans, animals, or plants.
I say He just out of custom, but I know that God is neither He or She.
The same concept applies to angels and any other spiritual entity.

You don't believe that spirit incarnates into this reality, I understand that.

I don't consider it having several "failure and trials (lives) to transcend. We don't "fail" we simply acquire experience. You go to school, you attend first, second, third, fourth grades etc. You learn in each one. You cannot only go to one grade and then think that you know enough to graduate.

That is the purpose of many lives of experience in this reality.
You want to go to school one day and then graduate. That is just silly the way I see it.

There is much to learn and experience. Infinity is a very long time. But you want to learn it all in one lifetime. I don't see that as reasonable.



No, I referred to them as "spiritual beings." I used the term angels, for your benefit. I did not mean to imply that all "angels" have evolved from human, or that they are on a "higher spiritual level" than humans. I don't know if they are or not. I just get the feeling that they are not like us at all. They are not human.



The earth will always be a place of war and strife and what you call "sin" because that it the nature of the earth experience (game.)

Humans have evolved though, but you might not be aware of it. If a human has spent his alloted time incarnating on the earth he will draw up all of his life streams and leave the earth incarnations forever. You will not know of this or be aware of this. Humans who have evolved beyond the human experience will ascend to the next level.

JB

OK. for the sake of argument. let's assume for one second that reincarnation is true.
And if it's true its purpose is for the being to learn from his/her experiences. correct?
if that premise is truth, I also need to understand that such being must be aware of his/her incarnation, so he/she can summarize his/her experiences in prior lives, and from where he/she sttoped in the last life carry on in his/her actual life.
I did this silogism since you put as example the kid going to school. each year before starting they make a summary of last year's knowledge, and from there they start the new year.
All that makes sense, assuming reincarnation really happens.
However, when all this reasonings loses its logic is the part when we need to be aware of our prior lives' experiences in order to really learn, and not to make the same mistakes.
As far as I'm concern I have no recolection of such thing. I only have this life's experiences with me.
And if I have heard or read a book of somebody who has such recolection most of the time the author of the book or whomever state such thing ends up being a person who uses allucinogenics.

Please don't think I'm suggesting you do such thing. I'm just talking about those who actually write books about it or hold conferences about it.

The Mind is not the Soul.

i missed ur deep comments.

For humans, incarnations are simultaneous. This means that the higher self doing the incarnations sends a life stream to the earth reality and it can incarnate in any time line because the higher self originates from outside of the space time of the earth 3-d reality.

This being so, you can have incarnations in many different time lines all at once... from the perspective of the higher self, but at different times from the perspective of space-time.

So you are living many lives all at once. This could get really difficult if you were aware of all your lives, so a curtain is drawn between lives so that you can live each one separately.\

In other words, you loose you connection to you other lives. You have no memory of them.... yet.

Once the life streams are withdrawn back to the higher self, all memories are regained and you can see all memories of all of your lives in detail. Each personality becomes part of the higher self and it retains all of its experiences from all of its lives. It becomes one entity, with many memories of many lives.

JB

So that's why I keep dreaming that I'm a 17th century French nobleman with you flouncing around on my lap in a powdered wig with a mole on your cheek!!!

One more thing. Although the lives are lived simultaneously, (all at once) from the perspective of the higher self, they are done one after the other and each life learns and evolves.

The soul retains these lessons although it may not remember the details of the experiences. It remembers the lesson.

Therefore, you first incarnation as human, is less wise than your last incarnation as a human.

Each person (higher self) has its own system of space time, which is different from the space time of the earth reality.

JB

This goes beyond my comprehension. Maybe the dogmas inprinted my mind by the Church closed my mind. However, to be very honest with you, I can't realistically visualize any of your statements applied upon human beings. All that would make sense if we were talking about physics.

Yep that sounds like me alright.

one more time i cannot visualize human evolution when I see stupid things like racism in the 21st century. or children dying of starvation when a stupid and nonsensical war in Iraq is wasting resources which can be utilized to feed these children

Well, I've been contemplating my navel and thinking about the non-existence of time and space and the non-existence of nothing for many years now. I'm entitled to think abstractly. LOL


Now pass the LSD sugar cube.

Well you are looking at the humans who are still in the first and second grade probably. Then again, some people just never learn.

You will not see the ones who have ascended. They are no longer here.

Then of course there are the minions.... they are probably not going to learn anything, they are animated by the earth spirit...Or so I've heard.

JB

<----withdraws way too much information

Incorrect.
The soul includes the mind, thoughts ,emotions, affections, and will of man.

You might have meant to say the spirit, instead of the soul..

The bible states....

Hebrews 9: 27

"It Is Appointed unto Man ONCE to die, but after this the judgment".


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