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Topic: Will Oil Hurt Obama?
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Wed 06/18/08 08:09 AM
Edited by Starsailor2851 on Wed 06/18/08 08:10 AM
It is people like Obama who have prevented a new refinery being built in over thirty years. Our refineries are running at 85+ percent of capacity and are incredibly out of date. Gas prices are continuing to soar.

In a speech today Bush wants the bans on oil drilling lifted and the insane application process revamped to make it much more simplier.

John Mccain wants the ban lifted, each individual state sitting on oil will decide if they want drilling and refineries. State rights, not federal mandates.

Barack Obama says the federal ban should remain in place, the lengthy application process in effect as well.

With the ever increasing rise of gas prices and Obama doing NOTHING about it besides saying go green, mandating emission levels (has some stupid thing that says by 2050 emissions down 80%, which he most likely won't even be alive to see in 2050), mandating companies for mpg standards (cripple a US auto industry, forcing standards on them when they are already in the tank because of horrible business practices, real smart). Supports the highly inefficient corn-based ethanol, which has just taken a HUGE hit from all the flooding, and has raised food prices for most food goods have corn in them. And, though he says he support nuclear energy his stance is very on the fence for he is weary with what to do about the waste it produces.


The average American hearing from many media sources, professionals in the fields, that we haven't produced an oil refinery in over 30 years and are sitting upon tens of billions of oil and doing nothing with them, who will they support?

Those who favor drilling and increasing oil supply, or those who do not?

I don't think it is an incredibly out there position to take, that Americans, especially truckers, and those who have to drive distances to get to jobs and perform those jobs, would LOVE to have us drill for our own oil and decrease the price of gas, and stop feeding the anti-American oil sheiks and the anti-American Venezuelan marxist dictator.

So, with Obama's anti-domestic oil stance, as well as his anti-coal and natural gas stance, will this hurt Obama?

I say YES, and very much so.

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Wed 06/18/08 08:12 AM
McCain already has my vote and YES the ban should be lifted. If we have our own resources then why should we not be allowed to use them.. that's just pure stupidity not to do so!!

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Wed 06/18/08 08:14 AM
"Voted YES on removing oil & gas exploration subsidies. (Jun 2007)" - http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/Barack_Obama.htm

BUT

Supports it for E85 ethanol production. A proven HIGHLY inefficient source of fuel, which has and will continue to send food prices higher hurting all Americans.

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Wed 06/18/08 08:17 AM
you watch..........all that mccain is against, i will say he will change his mind on some issues if he wants to win the election..............and yes, we are in desperate need of our own oil............on the national news last night, theft has risen 75% because of the oil prices............i sincerely hope the next president will focus on this land and it's legal people to get us back on track and to hell with other countries for a while.............:angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:

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Wed 06/18/08 08:18 AM
"Genesis teaches stewardship of earth: sacrifice for future" - Barack Obama, Compassion Forum at Messiah College in Grantham, Pennsylvania, http://www.ontheissues.org/Archive/2008_Dems_Compassion_Forum_Barack_Obama.htm

So, we are to sacrifice our bank accounts, our livelihood, and standards of living for a future, one that following all these things will be what exactly?

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Wed 06/18/08 08:26 AM

"Genesis teaches stewardship of earth: sacrifice for future" - Barack Obama, Compassion Forum at Messiah College in Grantham, Pennsylvania, http://www.ontheissues.org/Archive/2008_Dems_Compassion_Forum_Barack_Obama.htm

So, we are to sacrifice our bank accounts, our livelihood, and standards of living for a future, one that following all these things will be what exactly?

this next election is so critical..........we are headed for a race war in this country........i feel it and have felt it for sometime time now...........we, the people have got to take a stand against the evil government we have...........each and everyday there is more of our rights being able to live freely, taken away from us........there are 2 sets of laws, do as i say and not as i do..........:angry: :angry: :angry:

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Wed 06/18/08 08:27 AM


"Genesis teaches stewardship of earth: sacrifice for future" - Barack Obama, Compassion Forum at Messiah College in Grantham, Pennsylvania, http://www.ontheissues.org/Archive/2008_Dems_Compassion_Forum_Barack_Obama.htm

So, we are to sacrifice our bank accounts, our livelihood, and standards of living for a future, one that following all these things will be what exactly?

this next election is so critical..........we are headed for a race war in this country........i feel it and have felt it for sometime time now...........we, the people have got to take a stand against the evil government we have...........each and everyday there is more of our rights being able to live freely, taken away from us........there are 2 sets of laws, do as i say and not as i do..........:angry: :angry: :angry:


Thanks for insight, but can you please stick to topic of oil and energy?

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Wed 06/18/08 08:30 AM
why now? Why wasnt this done when oil prices starting going up !

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Wed 06/18/08 08:31 AM
Edited by BrandonJItaliano on Wed 06/18/08 08:38 AM
I think the ban should stay in place permanently and our government should be forced to go after alternative fuel sources. Our consumption of petroleum has us stuck in the dark ages, its old, outdated and extremely harmfull to the enviroment (hey sounds just like John McCain) and the idea needs to be scraped anyway so i think NOW is the perfect time. There is opprituniity in Cellulose, Hydrogen, Solar, i could go on and on. The use in Petroleum translated would be like all of Americans forced to watch movies on BETA knowing theres BLUE RAY!


I make my own bio-fuel, its really suprisingly easy

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Wed 06/18/08 08:31 AM

why now? Why wasnt this done when oil prices starting going up !

EXACTLY...................very good point.................explode

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Wed 06/18/08 08:33 AM
Point taken!

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Wed 06/18/08 08:35 AM



"Genesis teaches stewardship of earth: sacrifice for future" - Barack Obama, Compassion Forum at Messiah College in Grantham, Pennsylvania, http://www.ontheissues.org/Archive/2008_Dems_Compassion_Forum_Barack_Obama.htm

So, we are to sacrifice our bank accounts, our livelihood, and standards of living for a future, one that following all these things will be what exactly?

this next election is so critical..........we are headed for a race war in this country........i feel it and have felt it for sometime time now...........we, the people have got to take a stand against the evil government we have...........each and everyday there is more of our rights being able to live freely, taken away from us........there are 2 sets of laws, do as i say and not as i do..........:angry: :angry: :angry:


Thanks for insight, but can you please stick to topic of oil and energy?

in a sense, i am sticking to it because everything else will follow in regards to oil, energy, and the cost.........:angry:

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Wed 06/18/08 08:37 AM

I think the ban should stay in place permanently and our government should be forced to go after alternative fuel sources. Our consumption of petroleum has us stuck in the dark ages, its old, outdated and extremely harmfull to the enviroment (hey sounds just like John McCain) and the idea needs to be scraped anyway so i think NOW is the perfect time. There is opprituniity in Cellulose, Hydrogen, Solar, i could go on and on. The use in Petroleum translated would be like all of Americans forced to watch movies on BETA knowing theres BLUE RAY!


Let me ask you how you typed all that? Do you know what evil component is used to make that keyboard of yours?

Oil is the only most efficient source of fuel for motor transportation. Until that is changed it will and should be the only real source. Oil companies have put billions into the research of new sources of energy for use in transportation. The discovery of some new energy will not put them out of business for so many goods are made of oil, but they will also become the supplier of these news sources of energy as well.

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Wed 06/18/08 08:40 AM

I think the ban should stay in place permanently and our government should be forced to go after alternative fuel sources. Our consumption of petroleum has us stuck in the dark ages, its old, outdated and extremely harmfull to the enviroment (hey sounds just like John McCain) and the idea needs to be scraped anyway so i think NOW is the perfect time. There is opprituniity in Cellulose, Hydrogen, Solar, i could go on and on. The use in Petroleum translated would be like all of Americans forced to watch movies on BETA knowing theres BLUE RAY!


I make my own bio-fuel, its really suprisingly easy


Also, with that dark age oil thing, do you know what a major component that makes that Blu-Ray disc is as well? hahaha

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Wed 06/18/08 08:46 AM
Edited by BrandonJItaliano on Wed 06/18/08 09:21 AM
Petroleum has its purpose in the production of Plastic. I completly understand that 100%. Ive made my own cellulose based Bio-fuel the last three years, ive never had a issue with it at all. In fact my Mercedes gets better "gas" mileage now. They cant be the supplier, nature is the supplier, walk outside your house and pick it up off the ground after the lawn boy mows that yard! Go to you favorite eatery and ask for there used cooking oil, they will be happy to give it to u. Stop this, somebody else has to "service" me crap and begin to do it your damn self, it can save u a ton and you dont have to worry about S*hit lol

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Wed 06/18/08 08:54 AM
Edited by Starsailor2851 on Wed 06/18/08 08:54 AM

Petroleum has its purpose in the production of Plastic. I completly understand that 100%. Ive made my own cellulose based Bio-fuel the last three years, ive never had a issue with it at all. In fact my Mercedes gets better "gas" mileage now. They cant be the supplier, nature is the supplier, walk outside your house and pick it up off the ground after the lawn boy mows that yard! Go to you favorite eatery and ask for there used cooking oil, they will be happy to give it to u. Stop this, somebody else has to "service" me and become self suffient, it can save u a ton and you dont have to worry about S*hit


The fact is UNTIL alternative sources of energy are found to be as efficient, can be mass produced as cheaply, and can produce all the same if not better results than oil with transportation we need oil, and as cheap as possible as well. We do not have the mass biofuel available to us, corn is one of the least efficient, if not the worst of all towards ethanol production. And, when we use it the next result is to send food prices up.

A rise in gas prices continued will cripple every aspect of our society. All food prices will go up and goods will as well due to transport cost increase.

We do not have the capabilities to have a cheap and efficient alternative source yet that can be massed produced. Most of us do not have the time to make our own bio-fuels, nor do most of us drive Mercedes or pick up after the lawn boy, which we don't have as well.

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Wed 06/18/08 08:57 AM
Will Oil Hurt Obama? - NO, BUT IT WILL MAKE HIM REAL SLICKlaugh laugh laugh laugh

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Wed 06/18/08 09:02 AM

Will Oil Hurt Obama? - NO, BUT IT WILL MAKE HIM REAL SLICKlaugh laugh laugh laugh


I told the other guy to stick to topic with his posts, but you get a pass. That is hilarious...hahaha

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Wed 06/18/08 09:17 AM
President Bush, from the get-go has wanted to become independent of the mid east oil companies, but the democrats shot down his proposals time after time.

It is INSANE not to make use of the fuel resources GOD put in the earth in the area of the USA. He gave it to us for a reason people!:angry: We have an abundant amount of our own oil. WHY would anyone not want to make use of it?grumble

Yes, Senator McCain is pushing for off shore drilling, and a wise decision he has made. And, again, President Bush has always been for this and also drilling in Anwar.

As far as Anwar goes, again, why not? It will not affect the polar bears, etc. If you listen to the non-left wing liberal news media, you will hear the truth about Anwar. THE PEOPLE OF ALASKA ARE ALL FOR IT! So what is the problem with the people who are against it? Should people in Pennsylvania tell the people of Alaska what to do with their land and resouces? I THINK NOT!! noway noway That is like telling the peoople of Florida that they cannot make use of their beaches. JUST BECAUSE. No real good reason, just because.

And, I am sure Senator McCain will be accused of flip flopping on some issues that he is and has changed his mind about. When you hear the people speak, when circumstances change in our own country and around the world, IT IS NOT FLIP FLOPPING, it is being a responsible government leader doing what is necessary for the betterment of the USA!!

Lindyy
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Wed 06/18/08 09:20 AM
Cheaply? It costs me about 6 cents a gallon to make my recipie for bio-fuel. Sure beats the hell out of 4 bucks for the governments crap. My Mercedes is a 1979 W126 that i restored, I try to minimize my use of plastics, so my use of petroleum is minimium. I really think that if this country would give something new a try (this country as a whole is scared of change i think) and try to minimize there use of petroleum, they will see that there life wont change that much!

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