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Topic: The 6th Day
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Sun 06/15/08 01:49 PM
The 6th day in scripture is a day of preparation. That has been lost down through the centuries. The day of worship being moved to the 1st day or 8th day however u want to look at it. So the real Sabbath has been trounced on and in so being the practice of preparing for the 7th day of Rest has been lost in the most part. So where is this taking us? Whether we look at the scriptures as inspired or as works of men they give us good advice. One is signs of when to prepare. What are these signs? I have tried to warn on this subject to deaf ears. I expect to again. Anyone who believes in Prophecy at all should know this is the 6th thousand year of man as we know him. (adam and eve) And the sabbath of Rest is when Yahshua comes back. So we as beleivers i will say again at least. Should realize we are in the DAY OF PREPARATION before the 2nd coming. Now many will elude to well I WILL BE RAPTURED. Really? You sure.Have you practiced preparing a principle that is throughout the SCRIPTURES. Look around you. I have spoke of a cascading effect that will happen. We have been in it and we better prepare as Yahweh does not help those who will not do or practice as he has said to do. Are You PREPARING FOR ANYTHING? Blessings...Miles

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Sun 06/15/08 01:51 PM
who is yaewueh or ????????

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Sun 06/15/08 01:52 PM
sounds like yahoo sorryflowerforyou

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Sun 06/15/08 02:46 PM
Edited by Milesoftheusa on Sun 06/15/08 02:46 PM
Yahweh is the Father..... Yahshua is the son.. These are the names of the father and son that has been taken out of the scriptures and replaced with others. Yah is the family name you see all the saints have in Revelations as adopted sons and daughters carrying on this name as thier family. The shua in Yahshua the son means Saves or Salvation. So the sons name Yahshua actually means Yahweh is Salvation. In John 5:43 he speaks of this and of our day or after his death that another would come in his own name. This prophecy has been fullfilled for hundreds of years at least...
John 5:43-44
3 I have come in My Father's name, and you do not receive Me; if another comes in his own name, him you will receive.
NKJV
Blessings of Shalom.....Miles

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Sun 06/15/08 03:09 PM
Edited by Milesoftheusa on Sun 06/15/08 03:11 PM
This Rapture that basically has come from a false prophet the world of religion has taken and taught as a reason to not have to PREPARE.

Yahshua said to watch..

Matt 24:36-44

"But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only. 37 But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 38 For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 40 Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left. 42 Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Master is coming. 43 But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into. 44 Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.
NKJV


These scriptures do not forcast waiting for THE RAPTURE AT ALL


They speak against this man made theory. That was 1st coined in the 1800’s

The Millerites originally had adherents across denominational lines, especially from Baptist, Presbyterian, Methodist and Campbellite churches, forming distinct denominations only after the Great Disappointment. They were united by a belief in the soon return of Jesus Christ--the Second Advent. After the Great Disappointment of October 22, 1844, discussion of beliefs began to fragment the once united Millerites. Dunton points out that there were four main divisive doctrines being discussed by Millerites around the time of the Albany Conference:
Biblical prophecies relating to the Jews. The majority of Millerites believed that these prophecies would find a spiritual rather than a literal fulfilment, however the Age to Come Adventists led by Joseph Marsh believed in a literal, physical Jewish return to Palestine prior to the Christ’s return.
Conditional Immortality was not discussed at the Albany Conference, but was a source of controversy soon after.
The doctrine of the Sabbath was one of the schismatic issues debated at the Albany Conferences. The seventh-day Sabbath was rejected by delegates at the Albany Conference, who passed a resolution to have "no fellowship with Jewish fables and commandments of man, that turn from the truth."[40] Sabbatarianism remained a minority position among the Millerites, however the doctrine received a significant boost when Thomas Preble published a tract on the topic. The tract, titled, A Tract, Showing that the Seventh Day Should Be Observed as the Sabbath, Instead of the First Day; "According to the Commandment", was widely read by Miller’s followers.
Following the disappointment of October 22, there was considerable discussion regarding the continuing possibility of the conversion of sinners. The doctrine that excluded this possibility became known as the shut-door. Miller himself believed this for a short time, though he later repudiated it.[41]


There is an article at this address that u can read as it goes into good detail of this movement. It was quite strong. I did not put but a small part of it here to save space. I would encourage you to read it. It is very interesting what was going on in the 1st ½ of the 1800’s..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millerites


Back to the Apostles asking Yahshua about the end. Notice all he says. Now many ministers do not like to look at Yahshua’s words. They tell us about signs.

The tell us about PREPARING..

Blessings….Miles


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Sun 06/15/08 03:13 PM
Edited by sam53 on Sun 06/15/08 03:14 PM

The 6th day in scripture is a day of preparation. That has been lost down through the centuries. The day of worship being moved to the 1st day or 8th day however u want to look at it. So the real Sabbath has been trounced on and in so being the practice of preparing for the 7th day of Rest has been lost in the most part. So where is this taking us? Whether we look at the scriptures as inspired or as works of men they give us good advice. One is signs of when to prepare. What are these signs? I have tried to warn on this subject to deaf ears. I expect to again. Anyone who believes in Prophecy at all should know this is the 6th thousand year of man as we know him. (adam and eve) And the sabbath of Rest is when Yahshua comes back. So we as beleivers i will say again at least. Should realize we are in the DAY OF PREPARATION before the 2nd coming. Now many will elude to well I WILL BE RAPTURED. Really? You sure.Have you practiced preparing a principle that is throughout the SCRIPTURES. Look around you. I have spoke of a cascading effect that will happen. We have been in it and we better prepare as Yahweh does not help those who will not do or practice as he has said to do. Are You PREPARING FOR ANYTHING? Blessings...Miles

Are you trying to say something here ?.laugh laugh .
What is your bottom line ?.laugh laugh laugh .

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Sun 06/15/08 03:23 PM
Thier are several subjects i am trying to get people to look at Sam53. Right now I hope you will see that The false Doctrine of THE RAPTURE you will see it's roots and see the church has taken on this DOCTRINE from a False Prophet. Why would they do such a thing? This False Prophet you can even see Taught against the 7th Day SABBATH. Claiming it was a DOCTRINE OF MEN. How could that be possible? He not only brought into the church the Rapture but teaching against the 7th Day Sabbath he was also teaching against Yahshua's WORDS TO PREPARE AND WATCH. To forget Yahweh's words to Prepare the 6th Day of the Week.

If this is the 6th thousandth year of creation of the world we now know. Then in Yahshua's own words he SPOKE OF THE 6TH DAY TO PREPARE.

We need to wake up and see what the SCRIPTURES say not what we have been TOLD what they say.

Blessings...Miles

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Sun 06/15/08 03:33 PM

Yahweh is the Father..... Yahshua is the son.. These are the names of the father and son that has been taken out of the scriptures and replaced with others. Yah is the family name you see all the saints have in Revelations as adopted sons and daughters carrying on this name as thier family. The shua in Yahshua the son means Saves or Salvation. So the sons name Yahshua actually means Yahweh is Salvation. In John 5:43 he speaks of this and of our day or after his death that another would come in his own name. This prophecy has been fullfilled for hundreds of years at least...
John 5:43-44
3 I have come in My Father's name, and you do not receive Me; if another comes in his own name, him you will receive.
NKJV
Blessings of Shalom.....Miles



My Holy Bible says that the son is the Father.

Isaiah 9:6.

"For unto us a child is born,unto us a son is given: and the government is upon his shoulder:

and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The Mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."

This is where you contradict yourself.

peace.

flowerforyou :heart: bigsmile

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Sun 06/15/08 03:42 PM
but let's not confuse Jesus' divinity with his humanity either, seeing that the Son of Man and The Son of God are one and the same.

Matthew 12: 46-50.

While he yet talked to the people, behold, his mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak unto him

Then one said unto him, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak to you.

But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who is my brethren?

And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples , and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!

For whosoever shall dpo the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.




It seems that disciples know who their spiritual Father is in Christ.:wink:

Most don't, yet profess to know things that we don't.

Why is that, Miles?

:heart:

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Sun 06/15/08 03:58 PM
Edited by wouldee on Sun 06/15/08 04:01 PM
There is an eternal Sabbath in Jesus Christ, if one so be hid in Christ, Miles.

That is explained by those that know of it and held sacred by all of us that know this today, which was yesterday, and is today, and will be tomorrow, as every day, in Christ.

Hebrews 4: 3-11. Here is the truth you missed.:wink:

For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said,As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest : although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

For he spoke in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise. And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.

And again in this place again, If thou shalt enter into my rest.

Seeing therefore that it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in for their unbelief:

Again, he limited a certain day, saying in David, Today, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if you will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.

For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not have spoken of another day.

There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

For he that is entered into that rest, he also has ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

Let us labor therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.






Clearly, Miles, you do not believe.:wink:


Jesus is God.:heart:

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Sun 06/15/08 03:59 PM
I have already shown this verse as being said as men want it to say. I will find where i already explained and showed the wording here as misguided...Blessings Miles... R u sure u and spider r not the same personlaugh

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Sun 06/15/08 04:08 PM
Sun 06/08/08 05:08 PM
Thier is only 1 name the rest are attributes. Like Yahshalom.. Yahweh's Peace. 


Isaiah 9:6 
QUOTE: 
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. 


Wow...Jesus is the Mighty God and the Everlasting Father...and so many names, not just one. Notice the first name, Wonderful. In Hebrew, "Wonderful" means "Unknowable". If God's real name is "Yahweh" (which is knowable), then this prophecy is a lie and therefore Isaiah is a liar. Is Isaiah a false prophet Miles? 

Please explain to all of us why this verse should be ignored and/or is wrong in some way. 


You are rambunctious today aren't we. If u want to see what that scripture saying i will do my best for u. 
Spider 
1st lets see if all that seems fits.. 



Zech 14:9 
And Yahweh shall be King over all the earth. 
In that day it shall be — 
"Yahweh is one ," 
And His name one. 
NKJV 

Here Spider we have Yahshua being King over the whole Earth. 

Now I know you will like this as this is talking about wonderful and how it has been translated. You r right it's a hard word. 


MARVELOUS 

TO BE MARVELOUS 


A. Verb. 


pala' OT:6381, "to be marvelous, be extraordinary, be beyond one's power to do, do wonderful acts." As can be seen from the suggested meanings, this verb is not easy to define. As a denominative verb, it is based on the noun for "wonder, marvel," so it expresses the idea of doing or making a wondrous thing. Found in both biblical and modern Hebrew, pala' occurs some 70 times in the Hebrew Old Testament. The verb is found for the first time in Gen 18:14: "Is any thing too hard for the Lord?" 

Pala' is used primarily with God as its subject, expressing actions that are beyond the bounds of human powers or expectations. This idea is well expressed by the psalmist: "This is the Lord's doing; it is marvelous in our eyes" Ps 118:23. Deliverance from Egypt was the result of God's wondrous acts: "And I will stretch out my hand, and smite Egypt with all my wonders which I will do in [it]..." Ex 3:20. Praise is constantly due God for all His wonderful deeds Ps 9:1. At the same time, God does not require anything of His people that is too hard for them Deut 30:11. Although something may appear impossible to man, it still is within God's power: "If it be marvelous in the eyes of the remnant of this people in these days, should it also be marvelous in mine eyes? saith the Lord of hosts" Zech 8:6. 

B. Noun. 


pele' OT:6382, "wonder; marvel." This noun frequently expresses the "wonder," the extraordinary aspects, of God's dealings with His people Ex 15:11; Ps 77:11; Isa 29:14. The messianic title, "marvel of a counselor" Isa 9:6 ; KJV, RSV, "wonderful counselor", points toward God's Anointed continuing the marvelous acts of God. 
(from Vine's Expository Dictionary of Biblical Words, Copyright © 1985, Thomas Nelson Publishers.) 

Now here Spider is the rendition of that verse in the context that it was made to be. Not saying these are his names at all. But that Yahweh his father would call him this his son.. The attributes his son has. Youngs does it much more justice than the other versions. Why? Because he translates it as the Hebrew flow is not as tradition has always said it to be. Like Easter being in the KJV.. Why? Again Tradition of the fathers wanted it their not that it was. 

Isa 9:6-7 

6 For a Child hath been born to us, A Son hath been given to us, And the princely power is on his shoulder, And (He) ( just who is this HE that calls him this) doth call his name Wonderful, Counsellor, Mighty El Father of Eternity, Prince of Peace. 

7 To the increase of the princely power, And of peace, there is no end, On the throne of David, and on his kingdom, To establish it, and to support it, In judgment and in righteousness, Henceforth, even unto the age, The zeal of Yahweh of Hosts doth this. 
YLT 

Blessings of Shalom…Miles 





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Sun 06/15/08 04:17 PM
Edited by wouldee on Sun 06/15/08 04:20 PM

I have already shown this verse as being said as men want it to say. I will find where i already explained and showed the wording here as misguided...Blessings Miles... R u sure u and spider r not the same personlaugh



I assure you, Miles, that you are contending with the Holy Spirit and not with spider and wouldee.

You still avoid the intractibility of maligning Exodus 3:14 to suit your purposes.

Clearly, you profess not to be a Christian, by your own admissions, yet you suppose to teach out of the Holy Bible as a prophet and teacher of truth.

You are neither.

Warnings are continually given you, yet you obstinately insist on your own delusions.

The only one that believes your machinations of the written rtecord of the Word of God is you, Miles.

You have not proven a thing with any excuse you give, and you continue o=in your charade here and now.

The Holy Bibnle clearly puts your doctrinal malfeasance in the category of unbelief.

Address that, first.:wink:

Your doctrine contradicts the authority of scripoture that you would have us to enjoy is according to your opining.

It is not. Your opinion is irrelevant and inconsistent with scripture.

You are dead in your works and not entered into the Lord's rest.

You teach falsehoods in fglattery of yourself, and your haughty pride cntinues to best you.

repent and cease from this folly of yours in your disengenuous wishful thinking that legalistic adherence to ritual and rote is the expressed will of God.

It is not as you would have it, at all. Not for you, and not for any. That whole regimen is void and without purpose.

Christ abandoned it in Himself, which you hgave yet to be appr3ehended of.


For your much speaking, Miles, you only display the arrogance of man that would have advantageous privilege esteemed uopn those that ignore the grace of God for all in Christ.


Everything is already accomplished for all,and yet, many like yourself wish it otherwise and teach otherwise.

The Holy Bible testifies against your errors.

God nned not chastise you continuously for it, seeing that you are dull of hearing.huh


You want everyone to be a deluded Yahwist, like you. NOT!!!!!

The Holy Bible defends itself by rediecting your folly of misinterpretation ofscripture to suit your own purpose.

That purpose is to justify your claim as a Yahwist, not to know the t4ruth that swets you free.

You are in your own bobdages and those bondages are your excuse for not coming to Christ.

Others that express their own excuses do not follow you into yours.

They need not.

It is all the same to the Lord.

On your own works shall you be judged ; on your own righteousness shall you stand.


But not on the righteousness of God, as those apprehended of Christ Jesus do. That is the rest spoken of in scripture.

Nothing but the gospel truth there, Miles.


learn, grow, and THEN be at peace.

flowerforyou :heart: bigsmile

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Sun 06/15/08 04:30 PM
Edited by Milesoftheusa on Sun 06/15/08 04:33 PM
very good example of BAIT AND SWITCH..

1st you tell me how i do not understand Isa 9:6 and i have nothing to refute.

So i explain it and you come back and attack me with another verse and say i do not have the HOLY SPIRIT.


You are doing the same thing relying on the COMMANDMENTS OF MEN MAKING THE COMMANDMENTS OF YAHWEH OF NO EFFECT.

You stand up against the Roman Religion that has been passed down when Martin Luther the Supposed reformist. Who all he did was try to get rid of Idol worship. But still kept the HERESIES OF THE MOTHER CHURCH.. Then you claim truth. Then remember his Book The Jew and The lie where he said exactly what the german Govt shoulod do in this book. Which Hitler used as speaking to him and this is what he need to do... GET RID OF THE JEW DEVIL.......

1 thing the Reforming against the Roman Church had been going on for a long time.

The biggests Reformists being THE POOR MEN OF LIONS who went to thier Death Because they Followed Yahshua's and the APOSTLES DOCTRINE not doing away with the old Testament.

Yet that very Old Testament you claim is done AWAY if you think you can make what you believe seem true.

THEN LETS PICK AND CHOOSE WHAT WE WANT. The Roman Church all over again..

Ex 3;14 is Yahshua. he is speaking in the name of the father ever since man came on the earthly scene.


What is so contradicting is you will go to john 1 and say see he is the WORD.. Absolutely he is THE WORD OF YAHWEH AND THAT INCLUDES THE LAW......Blessings....Miles

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Sun 06/15/08 04:38 PM
Edited by wouldee on Sun 06/15/08 04:51 PM

Sun 06/08/08 05:08 PM
Thier is only 1 name the rest are attributes. Like Yahshalom.. Yahweh's Peace. 

Isaiah 9:6 
QUOTE: 
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. 


Wow...Jesus is the Mighty God and the Everlasting Father...and so many names, not just one. Notice the first name, Wonderful. In Hebrew, "Wonderful" means "Unknowable". If God's real name is "Yahweh" (which is knowable), then this prophecy is a lie and therefore Isaiah is a liar. Is Isaiah a false prophet Miles? 

Please explain to all of us why this verse should be ignored and/or is wrong in some way. 


You are rambunctious today aren't we. If u want to see what that scripture saying i will do my best for u. 
Spider 
1st lets see if all that seems fits.. 



Zech 14:9 
And Yahweh shall be King over all the earth. 
In that day it shall be — 
"Yahweh is one ," 
And His name one. 
NKJV 

Here Spider we have Yahshua being King over the whole Earth. 

Now I know you will like this as this is talking about wonderful and how it has been translated. You r right it's a hard word. 


MARVELOUS 

TO BE MARVELOUS 


A. Verb. 


pala' OT:6381, "to be marvelous, be extraordinary, be beyond one's power to do, do wonderful acts." As can be seen from the suggested meanings, this verb is not easy to define. As a denominative verb, it is based on the noun for "wonder, marvel," so it expresses the idea of doing or making a wondrous thing. Found in both biblical and modern Hebrew, pala' occurs some 70 times in the Hebrew Old Testament. The verb is found for the first time in Gen 18:14: "Is any thing too hard for the Lord?" 

Pala' is used primarily with God as its subject, expressing actions that are beyond the bounds of human powers or expectations. This idea is well expressed by the psalmist: "This is the Lord's doing; it is marvelous in our eyes" Ps 118:23. Deliverance from Egypt was the result of God's wondrous acts: "And I will stretch out my hand, and smite Egypt with all my wonders which I will do in [it]..." Ex 3:20. Praise is constantly due God for all His wonderful deeds Ps 9:1. At the same time, God does not require anything of His people that is too hard for them Deut 30:11. Although something may appear impossible to man, it still is within God's power: "If it be marvelous in the eyes of the remnant of this people in these days, should it also be marvelous in mine eyes? saith the Lord of hosts" Zech 8:6. 

B. Noun. 


pele' OT:6382, "wonder; marvel." This noun frequently expresses the "wonder," the extraordinary aspects, of God's dealings with His people Ex 15:11; Ps 77:11; Isa 29:14. The messianic title, "marvel of a counselor" Isa 9:6 ; KJV, RSV, "wonderful counselor", points toward God's Anointed continuing the marvelous acts of God. 
(from Vine's Expository Dictionary of Biblical Words, Copyright © 1985, Thomas Nelson Publishers.) 

Now here Spider is the rendition of that verse in the context that it was made to be. Not saying these are his names at all. But that Yahweh his father would call him this his son.. The attributes his son has. Youngs does it much more justice than the other versions. Why? Because he translates it as the Hebrew flow is not as tradition has always said it to be. Like Easter being in the KJV.. Why? Again Tradition of the fathers wanted it their not that it was. 

Isa 9:6-7 
noway noway noway noway noway noway
6 For a Child hath been born to us, A Son hath been given to us, And the princely power is on his shoulder, And (He) ( just who is this HE that calls him this) doth call his name Wonderful, Counsellor, Mighty El Father of Eternity, Prince of Peace. 
noway noway noway noway noway
7 To the increase of the princely power, And of peace, there is no end, On the throne of David, and on his kingdom, To establish it, and to support it, In judgment and in righteousness, Henceforth, even unto the age, The zeal of Yahweh of Hosts doth this. 
YLT 

Blessings of Shalom…Miles 





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You have a false translation, or you are deliberately changing the scripture on your own and not proving it, Miles.

Before I call you a liar, i will tell you what time it is. OK?

the word for 'his' in Isaiah 9:6 is implied and not existent in the ancient Hebrew texts. It is thus accomplished grammatically.

But were the word, 'he' used in the ancient Hebrew, then the scripture would use the word, huw' or, hiy'. That word is masculine, feminine or neutral beyond the Pentateuch, which Isaiah is.
Therefore, that word means as a personal pronoun of the singular, [ihe, she or it.
It cannot be used to express Yahweh, because Yahweh is a plural derivative in the form of address as 'elohiym'.

Further, hiy' pronounced as 'he' is isonly expressed when emphatic or without a verb.

It also means self, which also contradicts your notion that Yahweh and Yashua are not one in the same.



Whether or not it is your lie, or a lie told you, which you have embraced for your own purposes, nevertheless, it is not borne out as a factual representation of the scripture found in Isaiah 9:6.

Sit down.

You are embarrassing yourself once again.

You are no teacher.

You are not even close to knowing the truth o9f the scripture in any case.


learn, grow and THEN be at peace, if so be that the Lord will grace you with his presence by a humble and contrite hunger and thirst for truth and the righteousness of God alone.

flowerforyou :heart: bigsmile

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Sun 06/15/08 04:49 PM
Edited by wouldee on Sun 06/15/08 04:55 PM

very good example of BAIT AND SWITCH..

1st you tell me how i do not understand Isa 9:6 and i have nothing to refute.

So i explain it and you come back and attack me with another verse and say i do not have the HOLY SPIRIT.


You are doing the same thing relying on the COMMANDMENTS OF MEN MAKING THE COMMANDMENTS OF YAHWEH OF NO EFFECT.

You stand up against the Roman Religion that has been passed down when Martin Luther the Supposed reformist. Who all he did was try to get rid of Idol worship. But still kept the HERESIES OF THE MOTHER CHURCH.. Then you claim truth. Then remember his Book The Jew and The lie where he said exactly what the german Govt shoulod do in this book. Which Hitler used as speaking to him and this is what he need to do... GET RID OF THE JEW DEVIL.......

1 thing the Reforming against the Roman Church had been going on for a long time.

The biggests Reformists being THE POOR MEN OF LIONS who went to thier Death Because they Followed Yahshua's and the APOSTLES DOCTRINE not doing away with the old Testament.

Yet that very Old Testament you claim is done AWAY if you think you can make what you believe seem true.

THEN LETS PICK AND CHOOSE WHAT WE WANT. The Roman Church all over again..

Ex 3;14 is Yahshua. he is speaking in the name of the father ever since man came on the earthly scene.


What is so contradicting is you will go to john 1 and say see he is the WORD.. Absolutely he is THE WORD OF YAHWEH AND THAT INCLUDES THE LAW......Blessings....Miles


laugh laugh laugh

no bait and switch, Miles.laugh laugh


I do not live to wait on your foolishness and inept handle of the Word of God.

Your response from me, in the form of rebuttal to that which Spider most certainly tired of striving against with you was but a breeze for me.laugh

It just took a few minutes to type it out in such a way that you and others can ascertain whether or not I speak the truth, biblically, by your own study of the aNCIENT TEXTS AND THESE WORDS FOUND IN THEM.:wink:


you are laughing at your own pride, Miles.

God is not mocked, nor are you anything but an inept child playing authoritarian amidst a forum of people that will just ignore your diatribe.

On the other hand, I have a responsibility in Christ to correct you and admonish you in your errors, or those errors can be found on my own head.noway huh

Your incessant machinations are futlie, Miles.embarassed

You cannot reconcile any of what you say.huh

It is clear to all that your agenda is to be the 'big cheese' of the forum with your arrogant pontifications.

Wrestle with men as a man, Miles.

Wrestle with God, quietly, and privately as all are commanded to by God Himself, as known by every conscience.


And before you attempt to declare that you are reasoming with the Word of God in sincerity, let me remind you that you have been caught manipulating scripture to defend your errancy and false doctrines.


You are proved already a liar and a false proiphet.

Whatever else you have to say, short of repentance and remorse and retraction is an affront to all that is holy.

My hands are clea, and I have washed them of you. your work has been duly rebuked, soundly and accurately.

Your blood is on your own head once again. I have no further need to engage your lunacy and contempt of things holy.

Thank you for another opportunity to show you as the falsehood you are.

I'm out.brokenheart



peace, out.


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Sun 06/15/08 04:55 PM
Apperently u do not understand Elohim.. elohim can mean judge.. I am Elohim in proper context. In the 3rd commandment.


Yahweh calls HIMSELF ELOHIM.. Not meaning him and his son but him he calls himself..

Yahshua is the one speaking it to Moses.. Knowing he is speaking of his Father...

Call me a Liar.. You put me in good company.. Thank you..

But Yahweh your Elohim.. is not 2 or plural and when I would call myself Elohim as Yahshua did himself and they wanted to kill him. Is no more than a Judge.

In Gen.. It is speaking of the 2 the Father and Son The Father saying to the son what to do and the Word or Yahshua creates. Then when we get to Gen 2 ;4 we see this is the History of creation.

Then we also see for the 1st Time Yahweh's name.....


Apperenty some one like Youngs LITERAL Translations even though he still will not use the True names. But he shows how it is really written and the References I Copy and Pasted
YOU do not like either and fight against it for You do not do the same...

Yahshua would tell you the same as he did the Pharasees who did not want to honor father and Mother as Prov. 16: 20-22 Tells us clearly..


You are not proving what you believe at all. You CAN NOT Wouldee.. IT is THE COMMANDMENTS OF MEN NOT OF YAHWEH.... It will fail to a child on Milk because you have to Twist and Choose to explain away what you believe..


You do not go to Dr. Charles Stanley's church do u? He is really good at it.. Shalom.....Miles

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Sun 06/15/08 05:09 PM
Edited by wouldee on Sun 06/15/08 05:15 PM

Apperently u do not understand Elohim.. elohim can mean judge.. I am Elohim in proper context. In the 3rd commandment.


Yahweh calls HIMSELF ELOHIM.. Not meaning him and his son but him he calls himself..

Yahshua is the one speaking it to Moses.. Knowing he is speaking of his Father...


Call me a Liar.. You put me in good company.. Thank you..

But Yahweh your Elohim.. is not 2 or plural and when I would call myself Elohim as Yahshua did himself and they wanted to kill him. Is no more than a Judge.

In Gen.. It is speaking of the 2 the Father and Son The Father saying to the son what to do and the Word or Yahshua creates. Then when we get to Gen 2 ;4 we see this is the History of creation.

Then we also see for the 1st Time Yahweh's name.....


Apperenty some one like Youngs LITERAL Translations even though he still will not use the True names. But he shows how it is really written and the References I Copy and Pasted
YOU do not like either and fight against it for You do not do the same...

Yahshua would tell you the same as he did the Pharasees who did not want to honor father and Mother as Prov. 16: 20-22 Tells us clearly..


You are not proving what you believe at all. You CAN NOT Wouldee.. IT is THE COMMANDMENTS OF MEN NOT OF YAHWEH.... It will fail to a child on Milk because you have to Twist and Choose to explain away what you believe..


You do not go to Dr. Charles Stanley's church do u? He is really good at it.. Shalom.....Miles




I have highlighted for you where you contradict yourself by arguing with me, Miles.

Yasua is Jesus is Yahweh, is JHWH, is YHWH.:wink:

He is not speaking of the Father in Exodus 3:14 or anywhere else, but He is speaking for The Father.


But in any case, by attempting to understand what I have been showing you for quite some time now, and showing that you now embrace that somewhat, you still contradict yourself by those things which I have addressed in this post, with regards to YHWH and Yashua being one and the same. You come close, but leave the door open.:wink:


The reason for your misapprehension of why I posted Matthew 12 at all is this:

Even though Jesus is the Son and the Father, he is also a man like us; having visited his own and taken upon Himself the form of a man in the person of one Jesus of Nazareth.

That is the Son of Man, His humanity.

Being the LORD, JHWH, or YHWH, as the SOLE and ONLY, (thus HOLY,)spokesman for the Father, therein lies His divinity.

I merely mentioned His humanity because it gets confusing for others to understand His person and His humanity and divinity as co-equal and unique and quite preeminent among creation.

I did not bring it up to alter anything about His name or attributes, but merely to point out His fullness and righteousness in judgement as being the first and last word about the rest for the people of God, which is the seventh day, which is now, and has been since the cross.


That, Miles, was the point for what you deem a diggression on my part to change the subject.


Hopefully, you have learned something of my clarity.

Nevetheless, I'm out.flowerforyou :heart: bigsmile




I do understand 'elohiym' much better than you do, Miles. I also understand that 'el' is singular and emphatic.:wink:

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Sun 06/15/08 05:39 PM
You continue as your fathers..

U use the commandments of men over the COMMANDMENTS OF YAHWEH.

YOUR FIGHT WILL BRING ON CONFUSION EVEN MORE TO YOU. This is Prophisied. Not that I am making anything so.

I am telling u your use of trickery will get worse.

When the house is swept and then you return even more deceptive spirits will enter in.

The Plough i will not say a word.. But using tradition is not the same as using the word.. Shalom May Yahweh Look On Us With his Mercy.....Miles

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Sun 06/15/08 08:47 PM
attempts at procuring self justification are what they are Miles.

Either the Word of God is sure, or it is not.

Being in the minority of men with a label such as yours is not the badge that you would have it be.

It is a doctrine with walls around it that is still striving to comprehend the rest of the Lord.

That is where you are stumbling.

Making me out to be phariseeical is rather a new one , Miles, but you are not alone in that.

Youngsters often feel that their emotions are inclusive of truth.

That is not wwhat brought you to believe in the majesty of God.

Nor is it the fruitful work of an anointing either


As you learn, you will come to comprehend why you are learning and what importance that has for your soul's enrichment.

It is a spiritual life with many lessons being acted upon by the Holy Spirit, so that deeper understanding of the grace and mercy of God may be shared in simplicity, not in sophisticated and licentious manipulatiuons of the expression of things spiritual.

God still leads his people, Miles, and it is not for you to decide whether or not any that takes issue with your limited view and laborious doctrine can be discounted as reprobate and recalcitrant by virtue of standing up to your overcompensations.

Your misappropriations have not been defended with the scriptures; your emotions are ruling your judgement.
That is not of the Lord.

It is of your pride.

It is not a battle of wits, Miles.

It is a matter of bridling loose tongues with judgemental tendencies that are abhorrant to the grace given you.

It takes ttime to understand what the scriptures do not mean.

Itt takes the love of God to enter you in, though, and that by His grace and through His mercy; not of your own works and worthiness, Miles.

You have much to learn.

And you are a sslow learner.

Howbeit, you will learn more effectively from the Lord, by the Holy Spirit, than you will from me.

All in due time. Don't hesitate to humble yourself before Him to learn truth.:wink:

You stilol defend your actions without defending the authority of your words and doctrine.

It is a hollow noise without distinction and merit, Miles.

Machinations of an emotional appeal to things of God as written, require great care and deliberation and objectivity.

One cannot read what one wants scripture to say.

It says what it says.

It is best to trust God's grace and dwell in His favor and let Him lead, Miles.

You, apparently, have gotten yourself way ahead of the Lord and assume that you have the sum total of all things at your disposal and that your judgement is accordingly infallable by virtue of your emotions and feelings attached to your zeal, but that only speaks to your zeal, Miles....not to your preapredness to expound ther Word of God woith authority , rightly dividing the word of truth with wisdom.

But you are learning. slowly, but nonetheless, learning.

Might I suggest that you return to your first love and seek His face diligently, and forsake troubling yourself over hard things that discredit your conclusions.

It would be a prize indeed to be a witness among witnesses and at a particular juncture, according to that which might give substance to having your name written in the Book of Life in an profound way, Miles, but it is humility and meekness and self denial and the mortification of the carnal man that removes the ambitions that preclude the gifts.

Being entrusted with the deepest things of prophesy requirtes that you master the scriptural truthes and the self constraint given by that knowledge wth the understanding that lerads to the wisdom of God, and not the wisdom of man left behind.

Prophets speak and act according to the leading of the Lord only, Miles.

It is not God leading you into a licentious judgement of legalisms and misinterpretations of scripture. It is pride. But pride didn't bring you ro Him, if it so be that you have been apprehended of Him at all.

It appears so, and I harbor the benefit of the doubt to your favor, but I stand in doubt of you, Miles, and will err on the side of careful study and knowledge of the Word of God and the leading of the Holy Spirit, not men, Miles.

I suggest you learn some of that and how that forwards your perfection, if it be so that you have been called to grow in Him.

So far, all I see is the very thing that will lead you to fall away later when you must abandon the falsehoods you embrace.

They are either false teachings, or the self serving intellectualizations of one that would romantically depict himself as worthy of being greatly moved by God for personal gain.

That is the view I have of you, Miles.

But,nevertheless, I am compelled to engage you because of the errors upon your person in His name. I bear that of you as a brother in Christ.

There is nothing in it for me, Miles.

You are close, yet far, yet closer than most get and it is that threshold that is keeping me optimistic about your growth and understanding.

But let's face it; you are teaching half truths that are undeniably indefensible in light of correct translation and peretext of historically accurate narratives.

That is called a lie, in and of itself.

No getting around that, Miles, except through renunciation of the errors.:wink:

Keep it up though, as a persoanl vendetta and I will remind you once again that there is no merit to your false teachings.


False, because they are indicative of ritual and ceremony, Miles, not the liberty of the Lord in His grace, mercy and truth.

You create burdens with your teachingsa and malign scripture to afford such things.

It is not enlightenment that leads you to do it ; it is laziness that makes for such conclusory errors.

Before you open your mouth or set your fingers to walking as the finger of God, you had better be certaIN THAT WHAT YOU TEACH AND PREACH IS Accurate and in context and harmony with canon.

You are incredibly sloppy.

You are undisciplined and are shooting from the hip, Miles.

You know it.

I know it.

God knows it.

God is watching.

So am I.

I bear your burden.

now quit the nonsense and get down to it and show that ypou have rightly doivided the Word of God or silence yourself and your foolish pride.

I am here to teach you, not to scold you and deride you.

Study, Miles.

Before you act on impulse because I am embarrassing you, study and prove your statements are other than as I have shown you, which is that you have been re4ading werrors into the language.

We were not there, Miles. We are here now, much later in time. We must give the writers their due. and take them at their word. and trust that all scripture is to harmonize itself in Christ.

That is the benchmark of preaching the Word of God, Miles.

It is given to men of full age and well developed study, even though there are children running amuck in the churches as though they are authorities of the Word of God.

Children are minding the store. It ought not to be.

learn, and grow,and THEN be at peace.
But always be slow to speak and quick to listen.

As the Word says, "Be still, and know that I AM God."

flowerforyou :heart: bigsmile

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