Starboy what is the burning temperature of jet fuel that is not vapoprised and injected into a jet engine,feel free to cut and paste a scientific responce and just for the record sailor moon I dont just sit back I am usalay running my kids to baseball practise or track practise (my daughter made regionals as a sophmore) cooking cleaning or working, I truly wish I could just sit back like you and nit pick every topic or cry victim

Your point makes no sense, of course I am going to have to look up the burning temperature of jet fuel that is..... and so on. That is not the issue and to make that point as your main argument shows your weakness in the fields of proper research and debating. Look to fanta's earlier response post where he went at length to include original thought and research to back it up. That is how you do it. That is something you are not grasping.

And, unlike your sources, fanta is using a legitimate source, written by someone with some obvious credentials to back up what he is talking about. And, he wrote an article that has research refrences, citations from other works.


Now, compare fanta's source to your own. His has an author who was a position of authority in New York. And, has a sources in it from authors, an engineer for that matter.

Your source has NO author and the website linked to that article is full of far out there theories and articles from what I've seen. The 'reporting' on different stories is absolutely horrible, many of the reports just with a picture and a caption below it. The original source for your article is ridiculous.

USA Military Officers Challenge Official Account of September 11
Thursday, 22 May 2008 10:15 Pakistan Daily
Twenty-five former U.S. military officers have severely criticized the official account of 9/11 and called for a new investigation. They include former commander of U.S. Army Intelligence, Major General Albert Stubblebine, former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense, Col. Ronald D. Ray, two former staff members of the Director of the National Security Agency; Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski, PhD, and Major John M. Newman, PhD, and many others. They are among the rapidly growing number of military and intelligence service veterans, scientists, engineers, and architects challenging the government�s story. The officers� statements appear below, listed alphabetically.


Lt. Col. Robert Bowman, PhD �A lot of these pieces of information, taken together, prove that the official story, the official conspiracy theory of 9/11 is a bunch of hogwash. It�s impossible,� said Lt. Col. Robert Bowman, PhD, U.S. Air Force (ret). With doctoral degrees in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering, Col. Bowman served as Director of Advanced Space Programs Development under Presidents Gerald Ford and Jimmy Carter.

�There�s a second group of facts having to do with the cover up,� continued Col. Bowman. �Taken together these things prove that high levels of our government don�t want us to know what happened and who�s responsible. Who gained from 9/11? Who covered up crucial information about 9/11? And who put out the patently false stories about 9/11 in the first place? When you take those three things together, I think the case is pretty clear that it�s highly placed individuals in the administration with all roads passing through **** Cheney.�

Regarding the failure of NORAD to intercept the four hijacked planes on 9/11, Col. Bowman said, �I'm an old interceptor pilot. I know the drill. I've done it. I know how long it takes. I know the rules. � Critics of the government story on 9/11 have said: �Well, they knew about this, and they did nothing�. That's not true. If our government had done nothing that day and let normal procedure be followed, those planes, wherever they were, would have been intercepted, the Twin Towers would still be standing and thousands of dead Americans would still be alive.�
http://www.daily.pk/world/americas/99-americas/3865-usa-military-officers-challenge-official-account-of-september-11.html

USA Military Officers Challenge Official Account of September 11
Thursday, 22 May 2008 10:15 Pakistan Daily
Twenty-five former U.S. military officers have severely criticized the official account of 9/11 and called for a new investigation. They include former commander of U.S. Army Intelligence, Major General Albert Stubblebine, former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense, Col. Ronald D. Ray, two former staff members of the Director of the National Security Agency; Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski, PhD, and Major John M. Newman, PhD, and many others. They are among the rapidly growing number of military and intelligence service veterans, scientists, engineers, and architects challenging the government�s story. The officers� statements appear below, listed alphabetically.


Lt. Col. Robert Bowman, PhD �A lot of these pieces of information, taken together, prove that the official story, the official conspiracy theory of 9/11 is a bunch of hogwash. It�s impossible,� said Lt. Col. Robert Bowman, PhD, U.S. Air Force (ret). With doctoral degrees in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering, Col. Bowman served as Director of Advanced Space Programs Development under Presidents Gerald Ford and Jimmy Carter.

�There�s a second group of facts having to do with the cover up,� continued Col. Bowman. �Taken together these things prove that high levels of our government don�t want us to know what happened and who�s responsible. Who gained from 9/11? Who covered up crucial information about 9/11? And who put out the patently false stories about 9/11 in the first place? When you take those three things together, I think the case is pretty clear that it�s highly placed individuals in the administration with all roads passing through **** Cheney.�

Regarding the failure of NORAD to intercept the four hijacked planes on 9/11, Col. Bowman said, �I'm an old interceptor pilot. I know the drill. I've done it. I know how long it takes. I know the rules. � Critics of the government story on 9/11 have said: �Well, they knew about this, and they did nothing�. That's not true. If our government had done nothing that day and let normal procedure be followed, those planes, wherever they were, would have been intercepted, the Twin Towers would still be standing and thousands of dead Americans would still be alive.�
http://www.daily.pk/world/americas/99-americas/3865-usa-military-officers-challenge-official-account-of-september-11.html

Did you post that to prove my point? Seriously.

Regarding the failure of NORAD to intercept the four hijacked planes on 9/11, Col. Bowman said, �I'm an old interceptor pilot. I know the drill. I've done it. I know how long it takes. I know the rules. � Critics of the government story on 9/11 have said: �Well, they knew about this, and they did nothing�. That's not true. If our government had done nothing that day and let normal procedure be followed, those planes, wherever they were, would have been intercepted, the Twin Towers would still be standing and thousands of dead Americans would still be alive.�
http://www.daily.pk/world/americas/99-americas/3865-usa-military-officers-challenge-official-account-of-september-11.html

And, a Pakistani newspaper getting their information for a story obviously from some 9/11 "Truth" Movement site. They even referenced them in the article, the 9/11 Ripple Effect and other ones.

realy that is a big stretch there, are you saying these military men are just figments of imagination or they exist and are saying what they are quoted as saying?

They're human like the rest of us, they can be wacked out conspiracy theorists like some of us as well.

**** Cheney Orders NORAD To Stand Down
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGI5BmNd7AE

9/11 Video Clips Dan Rather Would Rather Not Show You http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0eC3uns3pA&feature=related

Im here for my tin hat...

So why did the 47 story building7 collapse? It was 3 buildings for 2 planes?

Isn't jet fuel mainly kerosene by products?

By that theory, every time I cook beans on my coleman stove, I should have to replace my stove, because of the explosive heat coming from the Coleman fuel.

I don't understand all the attacks whenever someone has a question about 9/11. Like building 7, why wasn't that covered in the official story, the 9/11 comission report. How about Willie Rodriguez, the WTC head janitor with the master key, he's the man that kept running back inside with fire fighters and police officers, to unlock doors and free people from behind firedoors.
He's also the guy who has stated that he thinks there were bombs in the building, he talks about the lobby of the north tower and how it was completely destroyed like a bomb went off, but there wasn't any fire, because the elevator shafts were hermetically sealed.
If there wasn't so much secrecy, so much info that was kept from the public, there wouldn't be any 9/11 truthers, because there wouldn't be any questions left unanswered.

I tend to agree with you warmachine on this, there are so many weird things and events that had to transpire on 9/11 for it to turn out as it did and so many other twists used to describe how and why it happenedas it did it takes a twisted rationalisation to swallow it, however if you imagine that 911 was an inside job, well then it actualy makes sence

I've been looking into the issue of 9/11 truth and while I don't feel like I've come across enough evidence to say: "9/11 is an inside job", but I have run across enough stuff to have some questions.

When I look at the orignal post of this thread it showes and talks about a fire in Madrid and showes a building flameing like a torch from top to bottem yet it stands after burning itself out. When you recall the twin towers burning it seemed to be only the floors that the planes impacted, yet the fire is given as the official reasone as to why the buildings pancacked. It was interesting to observe one comment" well jet fule burns hotter than office furniture if this poster had even taken a moment to view the madrid fire it would be obviouse wich was burning hotter. I am rather confounded that when viewing the footage of the twin towers prior to there collapse that the fire was cool enough to allow people to hang out the windows at or near the impact area of the planes.yet the fire was so hot it melted trusses? This is just one small detail that disturbs me

You are willing to put the energy into wondering all that, yet never wonder how that many people could be involved in such a complex conspiracy?

When everyday you post lesser things confessed by individuals or brought to light by legitimate sources.

How do you suppose that they are able to keep what you propose here a secret? Can you imagine how many people would be involved in such an undertaking? Yet, not one has confessed or offered any legitimate proof at all.

secrets are not that hard to keep, think Stealth and the Manhatten Project. Or even Pearl Harbor

The Stealth fighter had many leaks, all denied of course, but leaks nonetheless.

The Manhattan Project was known to exist by everyone. The only secret was how to achieve it and when!