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Topic: What in the Name of God?
Redykeulous Joined Thu 11/09/06 Posts: 6052	Mon 05/26/08 11:23 AM
The following link includes a fabulous piece of writing. I have included EXCERPTS only. Please take a moment to “critically” review this essay. If you are offended you will learn NOTHING, so be open and critical and continue beyond your FEAR. http://www.cchs.ccsd.k12.co.us/academics/class_projects/current%20conflicts/current_world_conflicts.html What in the Name of God? Religious Fundamentalism, Fear & Terrorism By James F. Mattil Since the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, 2001, Islamic Fundamentalism has become the subject of much controversy and debate. On one hand, Islamist terrorists are perceived as a threat to world security - protagonists in a new holy war. Alternatively, we’re told that vast millions of mainstream Muslims reject the views of extremist elements, but other reports suggest that popular support for Islamic Fundamentalism is far deeper than one might expect. And so we’re left in a quandary, asking why do they hate us? Yet, religious extremism, fanaticism and zealotry are not new and no religion has a monopoly on violence in the name of God, or gods. Not so long ago, it seemed to some people that society, the secular world, had moved beyond the religious trife that has characterized much of history. But pronuncements that"God is dead" are premature. Today, we are again witnessing a clash of fundamental religious beliefs, of all persuasions. In fact, there are surprising similarities between Islamic, Christian and Jewish Fundamentalists. Religious fundamentalists often share some common traits and motivations with secular dissidents engaged in political violence. But perhaps the most disturbing situation is the convergence of fundamentalist interests and the potential for a global holy war, with ground zero being Temple Mount in Jerusalem THE POWER OF FEAR As Winston Churchill warned, “we have nothing to fear, but fear itself.” One wonders if he realized the sweeping political accuracy of those inspiring words. The common thread that weaves violent political movements together is fear. It is not the only motivating factor behind political violence, nor necessarily the most obvious, but it is virtually always there. Whenever we ask why people hate, or why they are willing to kill or die for a cause, the answer is invariably fear. Religious fundamentalists are united by fear. Whether they are Christian, Muslim, or Jew, fear is the common denominator. They fear change, modernization and loss of influence. They fear that the young will abandon the churches, mosques and synagogues for physical and material gratification. They fear the influence of mass media and its ability to subvert the young with song, dance, fashion, alcohol, drugs, sex and freedom. They especially fear science and education if it undermines the teachings of their religion. They fear a future they can’t control, or even comprehend. Examples are plentiful. In the Northern Ireland conflict both sides fear changes that will erode their nationality, language or culture and with it their economic opportunity. Each group fears the other will dominate them unjustly. Similar motivations exist (with minor variation) in Sri Lanka, the Basque Country in Spain, Rwanda, Sudan, Jammu and Kashmir, Palestine and Israel, or among the Kurds of Turkey, Iraq and Iran. Many groups have survived attempted genocide against them, certainly the Jews, the Irish, but also Tutsis, Hutus, Kurds, Armenians, Azeris, and Arabs. This is not to suggest that numerous other factors don’t also influence the move to violence, but none act upon people with the urgency and stimulation of fear. THE NEED FOR DIVINE TRUTH A movement cannot, however, willfully and openly admit its fears; to do so would be an admission of weakness and despair. Instead, movements develop a positive political or theological proposition and agenda. The emergence of religious fundamentalism may be driven by fear, but each religion must adopt its unique version of a revealed Truth to justify participation. These Truths cannot be temporal in nature; they must be based on the inerrant sanctity of God’s word. The essay goes on to discuss Christian, Jewish and Muslim fundamentalism. It’s an extremely interesting read. I don’t thing there is fundamentalist who can read this article ‘critically’ and walk away from it thinking “Their group” was unjustly represented. Read all of it and the tell me - What do you think?

darkowl1 Joined Sat 01/12/08 Posts: 13060	Mon 05/26/08 11:38 AM Edited by darkowl1 on Mon 05/26/08 11:39 AM
spirituallity is the way to go, religion sucks. these words point out the truth as many others do...but will people see? also, wasn't it Franklin d. Rosevelt?---“we have nothing to fear, but fear itself.” yep.

wouldee Joined Sun 10/07/07 Posts: 5335	Mon 05/26/08 12:31 PM Edited by wouldee on Mon 05/26/08 12:34 PM
I have read this and I am being told that fear motivates me. NOT. LOVE moves me. I am being instructed to re-assess my convictions on the basis of conclusory statements made by a fearful and unbelieving atheist. NOT. Certainly, an atheistic concept is the only possibility for this rhetorical assumption. Spiritual souls would not be so insensitive. The insensitivity expressed is precisely the fear being transferanced assumptively towards the hearts and minds of any that has been brought into fellowship and relationship with spiritual realities. It is conclusory to suggest that fear motivates the spiritual or the religious person. It is credible to contemplate whether or not the possibility exists that fear has gripped and paralyzed the objectivity and critical thinking skills of the author of this article and as a result has transfered such personal fears onto others, solely on the basis that if the author has no knowledge of spiritual motives then they must not exist at all. But such possibilities are excluded in the rhetorical judgements made by the author in this editorial conjecture. It is just a licentious and fractionally marginal opinion parading as fact. Incomprehensibly , the article drifts from a tragic event perpetrated by delusional malcontents into a commentary of the veracity of leadership and governance that is not itself fear based. Who are these benevolent enlightened ones that are not part and parcel to the very complicity of national struggles that erupt into violent backlashes and destructive behaviors? It is suggested that the perpetrators and combatants are isolated from the benevolent wisdom and comfort of an elite few qualified to know what is best for all by virtue of their advantage and privilege and perspective to so opine, and that such benevolence is ignored with impunity. That is ridiculous. That is completely conclusory and void of credible distinction, when the author suggests there is a higher social and political authority present and that such a higher authority is emasculated by the subjectivity imposed by combatants, irrespective of the will and wishes and demands of social contracts implimented and enforceable by any formal social governance. I am not offended, and I have still learned nothing is so far as this article adding anything meaningful to me. I have learned that conclusory diatribe and rhetoric is being spewed continually throughout the world and will not cease to find it's deceptive agenda being parasitically carried from host to host unwittingly veiled as objectivity. I am only reminded that thoughtful contemplations are necessarily impeded by less than careful examinations of material forwarded in the hopes of benefitting others. But, thankfully, we have caught this one and nipped it in the bud. peace.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Mon 05/26/08 12:58 PM
A good many decisions made by people are made from fear. Even simple everyday things. Buying insurance, wearing a seatbelt, etc. But these are so common place they are ignored or possibly overlooked as "fear based decisions." But the fact remains, if you had perfect faith that you live a charmed life, and that you create your own experiences, and that nothing will happen to you that you yourself did not invite or create, you would have no need for insurance or wearing a seatbelt except that you wanted to obey the law. Of course one might argue that no one can have perfect faith and many would say "accidents happen" etc. Ads for insurance paint pictures of floods and accidents and disasters and film them and put them in your fact to place that fear into your minds. Then you buy the insurance. Fear motivates. These are just to small things. But governments manipulate all kinds of laws and solutions by using the fear motivator. We invade third world countries (for whatever reason it does not even matter) but first fear has to be generated to get people to agree to fight and die and go to war. Even people who claim to be motivated by love of their close relatives worry and fear for their well being and safty. Worry is fear. Have faith in what your are creating. "There is nothing to fear but fear itself." JB

Abracadabra Joined Thu 04/12/07 Posts: 17851	Mon 05/26/08 04:13 PM Edited by Abracadabra on Mon 05/26/08 04:38 PM
In fact, there are surprising similarities between Islamic, Christian and Jewish Fundamentalists. Religious fundamentalists often share some common traits and motivations with secular dissidents engaged in political violence. But perhaps the most disturbing situation is the convergence of fundamentalist interests and the potential for a global holy war, with ground zero being Temple Mount in Jerusalem Honest to God! Are human beings utterly stupid or what? Why should it be surprising that there are similarities between Islamic, Christian and Jewish Fundamentalists? These are all the same religion! Don't people realize this??? Islam, Judaism, and Christianity all stem from the same Mediterranean folklore. This is utterly ridiculous the people even bother to suggest that they are separate religions. They are one humongous religion that fell apart because it never made any sense in the first place. The entire religion is utterly ambiguous and riddled with logical inconsistencies that couldn't possibly be from a supreme being. Such a God would be totally inept. I can't for the life of me believe that human beings are this stupid. People often ask if we evolved from monkeys. Personally I don't believe we did! We clearly still are monkeys! Yes these fictitious fragmented pictures of a judgmental egotistical jealous God are going to lead to a global holy war. If for no other reason than the religion itself predicts it! Get enough people believing in a myth and they'll act it out and make it become a self-fulfilling prophecy. I've been trying to bring people to their senses for years. But everyone keeps looking at religion like as if it's all about saving your personal butt from eternal damnation. I'm trying to save the world, and all people can tell me is that someday I'll see the light and be 'saved' from eternal damnation. Like I even care about my own stupid frigging butt! The whole Islamic, Judaic, and Christian religion is all about personal salvation with a God. Its all about being judged on personal behavior by a judgmental God. And look what these religions do to people! Clearly this Middle-Eastern religion is the most ungodly myth around. It's all the same myth, the differences between Islam, Judaism, and Christianity are so insignificant that if aliens came by from outer space they would instantly see it as just one very huge and confused religion. And rightfully so! It all stems from the same regional folklore! The fact that Jerusalem is the hotspot and focal point of it all is simply because this is what the folklore points to. This is the region where the folklore was born. How can any intelligent person believe that the creator of this universe would have been so lame as to only inspire 'his word' to be written about a specific part of the world? I can see how the people thought that way back in those days because they had no clue how big the actual world even was. Not to mention the universe! But today these myths are clearly not from the creator of this universe. If the creator of this universe had a message to inspire he would have inspired all the cultures around the globe to write about it with total egalitarianism. Clearly this myth did not come from any God. How stupid can mankind be? And can't he see that this whole religious myth is just causing great hostilities that may very well lead up to a holy war just like the myth predicts? All man would need to do is quit believing in this stupid myth and it would dissipate away. I'm just in total disillusionment at how truly ignorant mankind still is in this modern technological age. This myth even causes objections to the intellectual discovery of truth. People would prefer to believe in the myth than to face reality. They kick and scream and protest against the discovery of evolution screaming that they don't believe that they evolved from monkeys, all the while behaving precisely like as if they are monkeys. It's truly sad.

sam53 Joined Wed 03/12/08 Posts: 2073	Mon 05/26/08 04:22 PM
I was thinking about saying something here but I will not because Mr Abracadabra just said it perfectly well and left nothing to me to add . !.

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Mon 05/26/08 04:29 PM
What is religion without the fear component involved? It has no power if it cannot make it's patrons feel fear of not believing, not practicing and not attempting to persuade others to come into the fold. The main fear factor for most religions is the everlasting eternity of suffering for their soul. On the flip side of that if religions do not teach they are the right and justified and all others are wrong then the superiority factor will not work so that must be a component of a religion also. In my eyes there is not much difference in many religions, different doctrines, different enemies sometimes but basically they are the same. There is no difference from Christianity to Islam other than the doctrines. People have died for both causes unjustly and on the flip side of that both religions have killed unjustly in the name of their religion. Not one is more right than any other, not one is more just than any other, not one is more devout than the other, not one is more moral than the other, not one is more powerful than the other, etc... To judge between religions is one of the most greatest hypocrisies, they are all based on faith, they are all personal, they are all the exact same concept with different wording.

Redykeulous Joined Thu 11/09/06 Posts: 6052	Mon 05/26/08 05:21 PM
Well, there are great responces all around. I knew Abra would enjoy the read becasue he HAS been saying that the Judeo-Christian religions intend to make sure prophecy is fulfilled even if it has to be by self-fulfilled. Wouldee: It is credible to contemplate whether or not the possibility exists that fear has gripped and paralyzed the objectivity and critical thinking skills of the author of this article and as a result has transfered such personal fears onto others, solely on the basis that if the author has no knowledge of spiritual motives then they must not exist at all. I tend to think the fear is real and no limited to the author. I too wonder to what extreme fundamentalists will take thier need to the one true Path to God. Obviously Abra does too, and I've spoken with many who feel the same way. Dragoness sums it up briefly. When we look the pros and cons of the worlds major religions through the thoughts of their most fundamental components (the poeple), what it comes down to is they pretty much all have one thing in common. They are believe they are the one true, righteous and correct religion. But who can decide between the cons?

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Mon 05/26/08 05:31 PM Edited by Jeanniebean on Mon 05/26/08 05:33 PM
Sam53: I was thinking about saying something here but I will not because Mr Abracadabra just said it perfectly well and left nothing to me to add . !. He does that to me too. Abra said: I'm trying to save the world, and all people can tell me is that someday I'll see the light and be 'saved' from eternal damnation. Like I even care about my own stupid frigging butt! Abra, don't bother. Save yourself! Meet me in Reno, we'll go hot tubbing together and spa and club the whole night through then have steamy sex until dawn. (Now how do I rate on the flirt meter?)

scttrbrain Joined Sun 04/08/07 Posts: 5769	Mon 05/26/08 05:36 PM
Sam53: I was thinking about saying something here but I will not because Mr Abracadabra just said it perfectly well and left nothing to me to add . !. He does that to me too. Abra said: I'm trying to save the world, and all people can tell me is that someday I'll see the light and be 'saved' from eternal damnation. Like I even care about my own stupid frigging butt! Abra, don't bother. Save yourself! Meet me in Reno, we'll go hot tubbing together and spa and club the whole night through then have steamy sex until dawn. (Now how do I rate on the flirt meter?) Abra...back in your chair yet? Kat

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Mon 05/26/08 05:38 PM
Abra...back in your chair yet? Kat Gee I hope I can get him even half as excited.

Redykeulous Joined Thu 11/09/06 Posts: 6052	Mon 05/26/08 05:45 PM
Dang - Well Abra, you'll be blushing for a week, I'd say that is pretty darn high on the flirt meter. Where do I get one of those flirt meters anyway, maybe I'm missing some subtle flirts and a meter would help me out. awe come on, I can dream, someone, somewhere must flirt with me, but then again, if I'm not catching it, maybe I don't want to know.

star_tin_gover Joined Tue 04/29/08 Posts: 735	Mon 05/26/08 07:36 PM
A good many decisions made by people are made from fear. Even simple everyday things. Buying insurance, wearing a seatbelt, etc. But these are so common place they are ignored or possibly overlooked as "fear based decisions." But the fact remains, if you had perfect faith that you live a charmed life, and that you create your own experiences, and that nothing will happen to you that you yourself did not invite or create, you would have no need for insurance or wearing a seatbelt except that you wanted to obey the law. Of course one might argue that no one can have perfect faith and many would say "accidents happen" etc. Ads for insurance paint pictures of floods and accidents and disasters and film them and put them in your fact to place that fear into your minds. Then you buy the insurance. Fear motivates. These are just to small things. But governments manipulate all kinds of laws and solutions by using the fear motivator. We invade third world countries (for whatever reason it does not even matter) but first fear has to be generated to get people to agree to fight and die and go to war. Even people who claim to be motivated by love of their close relatives worry and fear for their well being and safty. Worry is fear. Have faith in what your are creating. "There is nothing to fear but fear itself." JB Jeannie, you forgot about common sense. I have business and vehicle insurance because common sense tells me that if I am not insured I could end up with a much larger bill than the $2300 I have to shell out tomorrow morning for my premium. Yes fear is a motivator but if it is what motivates more than common sense then someone needs an anxiety pill.

star_tin_gover Joined Tue 04/29/08 Posts: 735	Mon 05/26/08 07:40 PM
Sam53: I was thinking about saying something here but I will not because Mr Abracadabra just said it perfectly well and left nothing to me to add . !. He does that to me too. Abra said: I'm trying to save the world, and all people can tell me is that someday I'll see the light and be 'saved' from eternal damnation. Like I even care about my own stupid frigging butt! Abra, don't bother. Save yourself! Meet me in Reno, we'll go hot tubbing together and spa and club the whole night through then have steamy sex until dawn. (Now how do I rate on the flirt meter?) Abra! You dog you!

Belushi Joined Sat 04/07/07 Posts: 2995	Mon 05/26/08 07:46 PM
Honest to God! Are human beings utterly stupid or what? Why should it be surprising that there are similarities between Islamic, Christian and Jewish Fundamentalists? These are all the same religion! Don't people realize this??? Islam, Judaism, and Christianity all stem from the same Mediterranean folklore. This is utterly ridiculous the people even bother to suggest that they are separate religions. They are one humongous religion that fell apart because it never made any sense in the first place. The entire religion is utterly ambiguous and riddled with logical inconsistencies that couldn't possibly be from a supreme being. Such a God would be totally inept. I can't for the life of me believe that human beings are this stupid. Oh, but they are. Religion is operated on fear. "If you are not good, then you will not come to heaven" "If you dont pray 5 times a day then you will not get your 72 virgins" you scare your kids with "So I lay me down to sleep, Pray the lord, my soul to keep If I die before I wake ... " WHAT??? IF I DIE??? You are getting children to think about dying already!!!! ... and the most wonderful phrase of all .... Someone, to prove how religious they are, is said to be a "God-fearing person" God Squad ... if your god is so forgiving and loving, why would you need fear him? Surely no, loving omnipotent being would subject his followers to pain and suffering. He would be forgiving. Unless you want to ascribe human feelings to him, but then you have to give him the whole gamut. Jealousy (No false Gods but me) Hate Anger envy Hmm ... so why would have an imaginary friend who you would give your life for, when if you have screwed up, he wont let you come in to play with his toys anyway.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Mon 05/26/08 07:48 PM Edited by Jeanniebean on Mon 05/26/08 07:55 PM
Jeannie, you forgot about common sense. I have business and vehicle insurance because common sense tells me that if I am not insured I could end up with a much larger bill than the $2300 I have to shell out tomorrow morning for my premium. Yes fear is a motivator but if it is what motivates more than common sense then someone needs an anxiety pill.laugh flowerforyou: You can call it common sense if you like. It is so common, in fact that that people just don't recognize it as fear. They don't even feel any fear. They just call it "common sense" or use it for a good reason to do or not do something. Common sense also prevents me from walking down a dark alley in a bad neighborhood in Las Vegas at night alone. It does not seem like fear, but if I knew I was indestructible (which I am not) or if I knew for some reason I could not or would not be harmed no matter what, I might walk down that dark alley if I felt like it. But my point is that no matter how slight, or how common sense a decision seems, originally it was motivated with fear of what might happen. If I was immortal, and I knew it I would have no reason to buy life insurance. JB That is not to say that people make decisions every day that are NOT motivated by FEAR. Some are motivated by LOVE or LUST. My own mother who can't swim, would have jumped into water above her head to save one of her children. Of that I am certain. Love would be the motivation for that decision.

Abracadabra Joined Thu 04/12/07 Posts: 17851	Mon 05/26/08 08:35 PM
I think the big motivators in life are,... Love Lust Fear Curiosity All of these can be either good or bad motivators. It all depends on what your goal is. But these are the driving factors. I think in my entire life was mostly motivated by curiosity. And for me that took the form of intellectual pursuits, mostly in the areas of the natural sciences and mathematics. My second motivation was probably love. With lust being a motivation in many cases (lust for material things like a new motorcycle etc). Unfortunately sex was never a motivator for me. Not that I didn't enjoy sex, but I seriously don't believe I ever lusted after sex. I'd rather have the motorcycle. Fear was never a motivating factor in my life at any level. I have always been pretty much fearless. I could also never understand the concept of fearing God. Why would anyone fear God? Unless they thought they were a bad person? One thing I've always believed is that if there is a God he/she/it must surely like me. After all, I know that I'm a likable person, even if people hate what I have to say on religious forums. But like I say, Curiosity (and the desire to create and design things, which I would tuck into that same category) was definitely my major motivation for almost everything I've ever done in my entire life. Now, in light of the invitation to go to Reno, lust is starting to look mighty good.

star_tin_gover Joined Tue 04/29/08 Posts: 735	Mon 05/26/08 08:39 PM
I think the big motivators in life are,... Love Lust Fear Curiosity All of these can be either good or bad motivators. It all depends on what your goal is. But these are the driving factors. I think in my entire life was mostly motivated by curiosity. And for me that took the form of intellectual pursuits, mostly in the areas of the natural sciences and mathematics. My second motivation was probably love. With lust being a motivation in many cases (lust for material things like a new motorcycle etc). Unfortunately sex was never a motivator for me. Not that I didn't enjoy sex, but I seriously don't believe I ever lusted after sex. I'd rather have the motorcycle. Fear was never a motivating factor in my life at any level. I have always been pretty much fearless. I could also never understand the concept of fearing God. Why would anyone fear God? Unless they thought they were a bad person? One thing I've always believed is that if there is a God he/she/it must surely like me. After all, I know that I'm a likable person, even if people hate what I have to say on religious forums. But like I say, Curiosity (and the desire to create and design things, which I would tuck into that same category) was definitely my major motivation for almost everything I've ever done in my entire life. Now, in light of the invitation to go to Reno, lust is starting to look mighty good. Yes abra, I am one of those that is irritated by your posts but I do genuinely think you are a fine fellow.

Milesoftheusa Joined Fri 10/27/06 Posts: 5122	Mon 05/26/08 09:18 PM
Well I did not go and read the whole article at the web site i did on here so maybe it says something about the name of our creator. The fear aspect as defined do this or go to Hell is from Satan himself i mean he wants converts too. The fear aspect of Yahweh the Proverbs says. Prov 1:7 The fear of Yahweh is the beginning of knowledge, But fools despise wisdom and instruction. NKJV Now to say this is not true in our society is foolish. The knowledge of consiquinces is our everyday life. So for our creator to say this is instructing his children so they know the law of the land before they enter it. The promiced land. Now when Joshua was heading for the promiced land filled with Milk and Honey. Yahweh had bigs signs put up with the main laws of the land on the path to the promice land. This is Rightous judgement. He does not punish his children for things they never knew. Contrary to some religious factions put forth. The laws of the land Deut 27:2-5 2 And it shall be, on the day when you cross over the Jordan to the land which Yahweh your Elohim is giving you, that you shall set up for yourselves large stones, and whitewash them with lime. 3 You shall write on them all the words of this law, when you have crossed over, that you may enter the land which Yahweh your Elohim is giving you,'a land flowing with milk and honey,' just as Yahweh Elohim of your fathers promised you. 4 Therefore it shall be, when you have crossed over the Jordan, that on Mount Ebal you shall set up these stones, which I command you today, and you shall whitewash them with lime. 5 And there you shall build an altar to Yahweh your Elohim, an altar of stones; you shall not use an iron tool on them. NKJV Now thier were 2 mounts thier you can read all of it where this passage came from. 2 mounts for everyone once they crossed the Jordan River that they had to go through. These Laws were in plain site for everybody to see. Now i know i have at times wished in this country which has more laws than you can shake a stick at. The pharasees taught them well that was in plain site going from state to state. But yet we are told ignorance of the law is no excuse. Well hurting anyone I can go along with and Yahweh does also. We can see a much more Rightous law here than any country on the face of the earth has. To have it on the road that leads to Jerusalem. Yahshua spoke of this also. But because we have put ourselves in a box and denied the Holy Spirit and yes I mean DENIED. Because we are told that the Holy Spirit will teach you all things.. thats what Pentecost was for. The Cloven Tongue of Fire. Lighting on the men thier. What was this symbolic of? Yahweh is a consuming fire. Is he not. Is the tongue not wicked above all things? Blessings and cursings come from the same mouth this should not be. So what was the tongue for. We are told that men from every nation heard them speak the wonderful works of Yahweh. Then Peters says this is what the prophet Joel spoke of. What? Acts 2:17 That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh; NKJV The teaching spirit of Life. What was Yahshua? The Word.. Did they mean the NT. No The Law of Yahweh. This was the crowning of the Temple Made without hands. What has always been in the Temple? Yahwehs law.. That we are told is against us. Fear Yahweh. Listen to him. Now if we go back to entering the promice land what was posted for all to see? The Law of Yahweh. Yes you fear it as any child fears a parents hand on thier rump if they disobey and we are children. Throughout our nation do we not fear the law of the land? Do you have anything to fear if you obey it? paul said this same exact thing and we say the law is done away. Mount Gebal and Mount Gerizen This is a passage. of Mountains going to the promice land. Guess what it is narrow. What did Yahshua tell us? Matt 7:13-14 "Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. 14 Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it. NKJV Do you think Yahshua when speaking of the Promice land we are wanting to be let into was not refering to the above passages. Yahweh is rightous. with Rightous Laws to be feared. The man who obeys them has nothing to fear. Unrightous is the Laws of man. They never stop. Never. Lawyers make the laws. for lawyers to interpret the law whale a lawyers listens to see which lawyer twists the law better. Then either him or a jury decides guilt with specific instructions on how they will determine guilt by the lawyer who listened to the 2 lawyers deciding what the jury can hear. IS THAT RIGHTOUS JUDGEMENT!!!!! How many laws are made everyday that you are responcible for to know. Thats FEAR BASED LAW. You do not know the law exists. What about Yahweh's laws? Do they change over thousands of years? No the same for everybody. Thats why Yahshua said and the Apostles said These laws are against us. Contray to us. Yahshua nailed them to the tree the extra laws brought about by man as he saw fit. Nothing new.. But go ahead and believe the Law of Yahweh given on the mountain for all eternity by the WORD. is done away The fear of Yahweh is the beginning of wisdom and if this is some made up hocus pocus laws then i guess i am the fool. Here is what the Israelites said as they were getting ready to enter the promice land. Myself I sure wish we all would follow these. Deut 27:16-28:1 16'Cursed is the one who treats his father or his mother with contempt.' "And all the people shall say, 'Amen!' 17'Cursed is the one who moves his neighbor's landmark.' "And all the people shall say, 'Amen!' 18'Cursed is the one who makes the blind to wander off the road.' "And all the people shall say, 'Amen!' 19'Cursed is the one who perverts the justice due the stranger, the fatherless, and widow.' "And all the people shall say, 'Amen!' 20'Cursed is the one who lies with his father's wife, because he has uncovered his father's bed.' "And all the people shall say, 'Amen!' 21'Cursed is the one who lies with any kind of animal.' "And all the people shall say, 'Amen!' 22'Cursed is the one who lies with his sister, the daughter of his father or the daughter of his mother.' "And all the people shall say, 'Amen!' 23'Cursed is the one who lies with his mother-in-law.' "And all the people shall say, 'Amen!' 24'Cursed is the one who attacks his neighbor secretly.' "And all the people shall say, 'Amen!' 25'Cursed is the one who takes a bribe to slay an innocent person.' "And all the people shall say, 'Amen!' 26'Cursed is the one who does not confirm all the words of this law.' "And all the people shall say, 'Amen!'" NKJV Can anyone tell me those are Laws not to live by? Blessings...Miles

dreadhead Joined Sun 05/27/07 Posts: 91	Tue 05/27/08 06:25 AM
Names of God? Way to many for me to remember, but the most common that pop into mine are El, Omega, Alpha, the most well known one, well, not well known in that sense but to occultists, would be the Tetragramaton (bad spelling), that is the 72 letter of God. There are some occultists you can find that claim to know the true name of god, but they refuse to speak it, suposedly speaking the true name of God would have a very powerful meaning. The idea that the true name of someone has power comes from something called "True Name", its the idea of everything having a true name, the name having power of that object/person. The only thing I have came to that this could have originate from would have been Egypt. In acient Egpyt they would hide there real name and only give a fake name, they believe there given name was magical, living, it was actualy another aspect of there "soul" in ancient Egpyt, it was said to live as long as the person/thing did. The true name does hold power over people, simple call there name, they turn around right? That is a type of power.