Topic: who should serve?
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Wed 05/21/08 10:08 AM
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Wed 05/21/08 10:09 AM

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Wed 05/21/08 10:10 AM
Edited by MirrorMirror on Wed 05/21/08 10:11 AM
flowerforyou Nowadays, you gotta choose who you serve.flowerforyou

flowerforyou You can serve your country or you can serve your god.flowerforyou

flowerforyou Because (unfortunately) they arnt on the same side anymoreflowerforyou

Fanta46's photo
Wed 05/21/08 10:13 AM

flowerforyou Nowadays, you gotta choose who you serve.flowerforyou

flowerforyou You can serve your country or you can serve your god.flowerforyou

flowerforyou Because (unfortunately) they arnt on the same side anymoreflowerforyou


frown Isnt that sad....frown


MirrorMirror's photo
Wed 05/21/08 10:15 AM

beach.... i have not forgot about the other places where civil war and poverty exist! I plan to travel through Africa and Asia, donating my time and services once I have the resources to do so.

Isreal is a country that does not need to do what they are doing to the palestinian people. What they are doing is wrong! They are depriving a nation of people there basic rights to resources. Just b/c the country uses that Judaic beliefs that war is necessary to gain the land. This is not right! Palenstinian and muslims have co-existed for hundreds of years among other cultures and religions! Not to mention that the citizens of isreal most of them a secular! Using religion as a means for war is very WRONG! Yes, it has always occurred since the beginning of time, but that doesn't make it right. Yes, that area is a beautiful country and has resources. But to tried to remove people from an area b/c you feel you have divine right to it is horrible! Shame on them. I am horrified to be part of a human race that has people like that in it.
flowerforyou You know (and care ) alot more than most Americans do about what the Israeli's are doing to the Palestinians with the support of the U.S. governemnt.flowerforyou

MirrorMirror's photo
Wed 05/21/08 10:15 AM


flowerforyou Nowadays, you gotta choose who you serve.flowerforyou

flowerforyou You can serve your country or you can serve your god.flowerforyou

flowerforyou Because (unfortunately) they arnt on the same side anymoreflowerforyou


frown Isnt that sad....frown


flowerforyou Yes it isflowerforyou

adj4u's photo
Wed 05/21/08 10:23 AM
in my nearly meaningless opinion

at graduation along with the diploma should come

a ticket to paris (not the city the island)

or some similar place

there are many noncombative jobs for those with health issue

but hey

what do i know

MirrorMirror's photo
Wed 05/21/08 10:41 AM

in my nearly meaningless opinion

at graduation along with the diploma should come

a ticket to paris (not the city the island)

or some similar place

there are many noncombative jobs for those with health issue

but hey

what do i know
flowerforyou Live by the sword and you will die by the swordflowerforyou

flowerforyou A man cannot serve two masters flowerforyou

flowerforyou for he will love one flowerforyou

flowerforyou and hate the otherflowerforyou

spqr's photo
Wed 05/21/08 03:22 PM
Edited by spqr on Wed 05/21/08 03:23 PM
Single_Rob

I read with amusement how everybody loves the rights given to them in our country, but hardly anyone wants to serve, or have their children serve. This just leads me to the question in the title, if not you, your children, or your friends, then who serves? Who should serve? I will answer first;

I believe that if we are to send young women and men of this country into a hostile area the lower economic classes should not unfairly shoulder the majority of the burden. I truly believe that there should be a draft system that is fair across the board, or mandatory service should be in place for all citizens between 18-22, even if it is national guard.

Your thoughts?



I think the question should be what kind of war.
If the country was under attack I would have no esitation defending it...but if you ask me to go to Iraq or any other place for the sole purpose of making Halliburton, Lookeed marti and Raytheon richer well you can go to hell :).
One thing is defending YOUR LAND, YOUR COUNTRY YOUR PEOPLE
another is invading it for your president's friends profit.



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Wed 05/21/08 03:55 PM

Single_Rob

I read with amusement how everybody loves the rights given to them in our country, but hardly anyone wants to serve, or have their children serve. This just leads me to the question in the title, if not you, your children, or your friends, then who serves? Who should serve? I will answer first;

I believe that if we are to send young women and men of this country into a hostile area the lower economic classes should not unfairly shoulder the majority of the burden. I truly believe that there should be a draft system that is fair across the board, or mandatory service should be in place for all citizens between 18-22, even if it is national guard.

Your thoughts?



I think the question should be what kind of war.
If the country was under attack I would have no esitation defending it...but if you ask me to go to Iraq or any other place for the sole purpose of making Halliburton, Lookeed marti and Raytheon richer well you can go to hell :).
One thing is defending YOUR LAND, YOUR COUNTRY YOUR PEOPLE
another is invading it for your president's friends profit.

Perfectly said. Our son joined as his patriot duty and then got stuck in a war, we didn't need to be in. My Third husband was in the Persian Gulf war and Sadam and his propaganda over loud speakers, saying he would walk chest deep in American blood. Why didn't we take him out then? The polticians and friends get rich and our men come back mental wrecks,dead,and by the grace of God some return home whole. If we got involved in all the countries having humanatarian troubles, we would have no country.


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Wed 05/21/08 04:08 PM
Edited by Fanta46 on Wed 05/21/08 04:12 PM
It should be mandatory for everyone upon graduating HS to enter into 2 yrs of National service. Peace time or war, regardless of income.
Why ask the most patriotic (volunteers) to carry all of the sacrifice for the majority?
It leads to abuse of the volunteer force, it leads to complacency concerning the abuse of that force, and it leads to Americans who live their entire lives getting fat off the country without doing anything to contribute to or preserve that lifestyle.

karmafury's photo
Wed 05/21/08 04:30 PM
The Swiss have the right idea.

All able-bodied Swiss males aged between 19 and 31 must serve, and although entry to recruit school may be delayed due to senior secondary school, it is no longer possible to postpone it for university studies. About one third is excluded for various reasons, and these either serve in Civil Protection or Civilian Service.

Fanta46's photo
Wed 05/21/08 05:25 PM

The Swiss have the right idea.

All able-bodied Swiss males aged between 19 and 31 must serve, and although entry to recruit school may be delayed due to senior secondary school, it is no longer possible to postpone it for university studies. About one third is excluded for various reasons, and these either serve in Civil Protection or Civilian Service.


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Quikstepper's photo
Wed 05/21/08 06:59 PM
Forget a draft... It should be mandatory that every kid do a hitch in the military at 18 yrs. old ...like Israel does.

I think that might smarten a few kids up. Let them see what the real world is like.


Troubled's photo
Wed 05/21/08 07:59 PM
Yeah, Let's have a draft. Let's force people in to the military. Our Volunteers are spending two or three tours in that godforsaken cesspool, Let's force everybodies kids to shoulder the load. But Let's start with the politicians kid's first. I'm sure George would love to see his daughter's over there. Actually a draft might be a good idea. Probably be the fastest way to raise a little bit of conciousness about wht the h*** we are doing there and why.

no photo
Wed 05/21/08 09:15 PM
I do agree with everyone having to do manditory service. But there is one problem with that. When you go this route you not only get the people that will make good soldiers but you get the people that make bad soldiers. Basicly sacrificing quality for quantity. It is a good plan but when you add a weak element into our military you make it weaker as a whole. I firmly belive that is one of the many aspects that has made our military so strong.

karmafury's photo
Wed 05/21/08 09:19 PM
Edited by karmafury on Wed 05/21/08 09:23 PM

I do agree with everyone having to do manditory service. But there is one problem with that. When you go this route you not only get the people that will make good soldiers but you get the people that make bad soldiers. Basicly sacrificing quality for quantity. It is a good plan but when you add a weak element into our military you make it weaker as a whole. I firmly belive that is one of the many aspects that has made our military so strong.


The Swiss still maintain one of the best trained military forces in the world.

Those who can't cut regular force are placed in other branches of the Swiss defense system.

Also as stated by Quikstepper Israel uses the same system and ask the surrounding Arab nations about the quality of Israeli Defense Force personnel.

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Wed 05/21/08 09:56 PM


I do agree with everyone having to do manditory service. But there is one problem with that. When you go this route you not only get the people that will make good soldiers but you get the people that make bad soldiers. Basicly sacrificing quality for quantity. It is a good plan but when you add a weak element into our military you make it weaker as a whole. I firmly belive that is one of the many aspects that has made our military so strong.


The Swiss still maintain one of the best trained military forces in the world.

Those who can't cut regular force are placed in other branches of the Swiss defense system.

Also as stated by Quikstepper Israel uses the same system and ask the surrounding Arab nations about the quality of Israeli Defense Force personnel.



I understand that it works for them but the problem is you have people in this country that are not simply cut out for military service. If we did like they do and put those in other parts of the service then it would work fine. I guess it would come down to how it was handled.

Sharris's photo
Wed 05/21/08 10:06 PM
I have 2 sons, both Marines, both volunteered. My oldest served twice in Iraq, My youngest is presently. Both were scheduled this time, only my youngest's orders completed this time. I am grateful for their decisions, I am horrified as well.
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Fanta46's photo
Wed 05/21/08 10:41 PM

I do agree with everyone having to do manditory service. But there is one problem with that. When you go this route you not only get the people that will make good soldiers but you get the people that make bad soldiers. Basicly sacrificing quality for quantity. It is a good plan but when you add a weak element into our military you make it weaker as a whole. I firmly belive that is one of the many aspects that has made our military so strong.


Our military has always been strong..

IMO, its weaker today. Better technology, but less fortitude!!