my position is that it's impossible for a god to prove to a believer that he is absolutely their particular god

ok, thank you

I'm going to stick my neck out here and say this.

There is no God in the way we have been taught to think of God.

There is, however, all of creation and all of creation is connected and shares information and there are infinite personalities who are creators of things.

But there is no single manifestation that can be called God existing within this thing we call existence.

This thing we call "existence" is the body of that which we might call God if we could even envision it.

But like going within to find the true self, it is a journey to infinity. Because you will never find any entity inside yourself that you can call you.

I know it sound nuts and it is a paradox. Nothing exists, yet everything exists.

JB

it that was so then no one would use the term "god" ..people use the term god because they have been program to do so ...everyone that is religious and/or spiritual are worshipping the same enitiy called god...the trouble comes in on how to worship that entity

I disagree- by definition they are already "believers" so it should be relatively easy for that god to prove to that person that they are who they want them to be.

believers dug theirselves into that hole by placing their god on a pedestal that couldn't be reach ..they will say that god is beyond their comprehension and incomprehensible to the human senses ...so how could a god ever proves to a believer that they are their particular god....simply ask a believer to describe their god beyond a concept without sounding delusional...and they can't ..

I'll put it simply.
And I don't even have to say anything.

Hebrews 11:1
"Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see."

I don't need God to prove himself to me.

plain and simple, amen.

And all God's children said "Amen"

I disagree funches, spirituality does not need to worship anything. A spiritual person feels the life in all of us and shares this life with that which has life in it too. There is no worship nor god needed for spirituality. Spirituality is the life of us all. Nothing more and nothing less.

all you are doing is describing everyday physical life not spirituality

which only means you are perpare to blindly follow the first alien that claim to be god

There is a difference from a spiritual living and a normal everyday living. Spirituality has the enjoyment of living, the amazement at life, all life. It is a stage or too above or outside of just living. Spiritual has no god or ether beings in the concept but it is not the duldrum of everyday living either, it is another level and we all have it, some do not chose to live it but we all have it.

again the differences you are descrbing could be the results of one person being in a state of depression and the other one not ..you're just talking about mind sets or frams of minds and nothing beyond...anyone can enjoy life and it doesn't take spirituality to do it ..also sprituality is all about gods ..either people are worshipping a god or worshipping theirselves as one

I agree with you, Dragoness.

I believe we ARE living in an age where grace has been given.

The darkness of the past is gone.

The spiritual reality is not like the one known or painted to be, so long ago.

Much of the garbage from old, it seems to me, is nothing more than the afterglow of the way it was.

It seems to me, that men have been slowly relieving themselves of the age old influences that left bad habits to be endured.

Machevellian, so to speak.

But I also believe that we are taking this present age for granted.

The perspective is too far removed to appear relevant.

Being spiritually awakened by the Holy Spirit has shown me new ways that were altogether not possible for me before to see how it might have been two thousand plus years ago, in the minds of men.

Christ's teachings are almost become secular norms for decency, in so many ways.

pragmatic, if you will, to acknowledge, in so far as treating others goes.

Again though, aside from my musing, I agree.

Okay, your opinion vs my opinion but there is another quality that some people live and others do not and it is not depression or an outlook, it is a respect, love, enjoyment, etc.... of the quality of all life, not just ones individual life.

..er.."wouldee" how can you agree with Dragoness when Dragoness say that spirituality has nothing to do with gods but yet you bring the holy spirit into the picture ...isn't that just a tad bit of a contradiction

Wouldee although I do not agree with the doctrines of the religion, I believe the respect for life can be learned from Jesus teachings. But the muddle of judgements of the bible are not spiritually freeing, at least not to me. I find my spirituality is more free and healthy without the doctrines of religion to restrict it's love of life. Religions tend to say some are more worthy of life than others, especially within the after life. I find this restrictive to my spiritual love of life. I love all life. When creatures live they make mistakes and pay for them by the consequences of what they do. It is natural and my judgement is not needed to "help" them see the light. Through life and living the light is there for them to see.

But there are spiritual religious people who really feel life, whether it be because of the god they believe in or not they feel life and that makes them spiritual. To me anyway

still you named nothing beyond a mind frame ..the euphoria you are talking about can even be the result from eating to many sugar products ...

I did not speak of euphoria. I spoke of a love of life that goes beyond normal living. I will tell you it usually becomes aware to people who have suffered beyond normal and over come the event. It comes from deep inside of you, it is not conscience thought, although conscience thought does help it.

Funches, I feel it, daily, it courses through my body, it is life. It is the force of life. We are born, we learn, we live and we die. But at some point in all of this another "awareness" comes to be if we are open to it and it is the force of life, the spiritual force of life. No god controls it, no rules restrict it unless we allow them to, it is free and pulsing with life.

I have been through this on here before and I have problems expressing it but it is, because I became aware of it, at a time when I knew the life was ebbing out of me.