yes

But what do u call prophecy?

Do you believe Malachi was speaking of Yahshua when he came as a babe? and not of us now?

The Holy spirit is not a new thing. All the prophets were given it when they needed it.

Jesus divinity did not begin with his birth, nor did his ministry.

The empowering of his ministry began with his baptism before witnesses that witnessed God witnessing Jesus as His Son.

This is why he is the Son of man and the Son of God, just as we are adopted sons and daughters of the Father in Jesus.





They, the old testamenrt prophets, did not need it. It came over them as God chose with the express purpose of revealing to the children of Isra-el that which God deemed fit for them to know of Him.

And signs and wonders followed the the anointing of the prophets of the LORD so that children would believe that the words being given in the name of the LORD were of the LORD indeed, and not from another.

Today, the Holy Spirit is an indwelling offered that niether comes nor goes as God choose, but is given by God to man to have God's laws written in their minds and on their hearts that they may live in the Spirit and not be confined to the flesh for direction.

But at the very least, the words of the saints can be assumed to be Spirit led.

Tha does not mean that every word spoken by the saints is of the Holy Spirit.

It means that the word of the Holy Spirit is known to the saints to dwell in the saints. The saints hear the word and in accord have a witness of the Holy Spirit in one another.

In that, the saints worship God in one accord.

Thanks but what about Malachi. I basically believe the same i am wondering how you see what Malachi said. When is it for or has it always been? Prophetic for 1st century or 21th lets say. or before Yahshua's return.. shalom..Miles

I don't know if Nostradamus qualifies as religious chat. Sure he made some predictions of the future, some fairly accurate. But he left no real creed or doctrine did he? (I'm asking I don't know) I don't believe he was trying to gain a cult following. Therefore any prophecies made were not of a religious nature, and should not be construed as heresy.

I agree.. But we do know he was of jewish descent. He used the laws of the torah being a big help in getting the plague under control. He also made medicines out of herbs which are said to be okay. I believe he was a very religious man. The things he did as a dr and going into these cities risking his own life. Shows he lived what he believed. And death was not a concern of his own. These I believe have been greatly overlooked as a great Physician of his time.. Shalom..Miles

Miles,

well, Malachi does also say at the end of his message, "leat I come and smite the earth with a curse."

I find that inclusive of the "church age" which has also been called the "age of grace" by Christian saints.

I see no reason to expect that upon Christ's return to te earth to reign here physically that prophecy would be a necessary component of God's communication with his creation.

I also the "church age" and the "age of grace" being a finished work upon Christ's return.

The final outpouring of the Holy Spirit upon all flesh, at that time, will not be one of this dispensation, seeing then that the Church of Jesus Christ is a finished work and the consummation of Christ and His Church are manifest to mankind yet remaining in that generation.

Choosing and choice shall not be left up to the individual in that "age".

That is taught as the "Mellinial Reign" of Christ.

We are not in that "age" now, which is quite apparent.

malachi is speaking of this curse. But what is this curse?

Mal 4:4 - Matt 1:1
"Remember the Law of Moses, My servant,
Which I commanded him in Horeb for all Israel,
With the statutes and judgments.
5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet
Before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord.
6 And he will turn
The hearts of the fathers to the children,
And the hearts of the children to their fathers,
Lest I come and strike the earth with a curse."


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now the final ending when Yahweh comes to the earth is the same as Yahshua taught while on earth..

Rev 22:18-20

For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, Yahweh will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; 19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, Yahweh shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.


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This is a curse to add to or take away from Yahweh's words his commandments as is said before this.

Now Yahshua spoke of the spreading of this evangel throughout world will he come..to know his comming is very close.

Matt 24:14
4 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.
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Now who does this spreading that the world will hate?

Rev 11:3
3 And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy one thousand two hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth."
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We can see what they have in Zech.

Zech 4:13-5:4

13 Then he answered me and said, "Do you not know what these are?"

And I said, "No, my master."

14 So he said,"These are the two anointed ones, who stand beside the Lord of the whole earth."


Zechariah 5

5:1 Vision of the Flying Scroll ( the word of Yahweh The Torah)


Then I turned and raised my eyes, and saw there a flying scroll.

2 And he said to me, "What do you see?"

So I answered, "I see a flying scroll. Its length is twenty cubits and its width ten cubits."

3 Then he said to me, "This is the curse that goes out over the face of the whole earth: 'Every thief shall be expelled,' according to this side of the scroll; and, 'Every perjurer shall be expelled,' according to that side of it." (Judgements)

4 "I will send out the curse," says Yahweh of hosts;
"It shall enter the house of the thief
And the house of the one who swears falsely by My name.
It shall remain in the midst of his house
And consume it, with its timber and stones."
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Here we see the 2 witnesses go out upon the earth with a curse because of a false evangel that has been taught.

The Flying scroll is the word that was from the beginning. The Law.. It says its width and length. Now we have always been taught that this is measuring Jerusalem which it seems to be. The same thing is said of the 2 annointed ones in Rev 11. What they are preaching is what Malachi was warning about. I put this up again to see this curse the world hates.

Mal 4:4 - Matt 1:1

4 "Remember the Law of Moses, My servant,
Which I commanded him in Horeb for all Israel,
With the statutes and judgments.
5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet
Before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord.
6 And he will turn
The hearts of the fathers to the children,
And the hearts of the children to their fathers,
Lest I come and strike the earth with a curse."
(Elijah should not be It should be EliYah meaning My Elohim is Yahweh these witnesses will be preaching also just as Elijah did with the prophets of Baal)

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Now this is a curse the world has been enduring in which they hate and signals that Yahshua's return is at hand..

Rev 11:7-10

When they finish their testimony, the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit will make war against them, overcome them, and kill them. 8 And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our masster was crucified. 9 Then those from the peoples, tribes, tongues, and nations will see their dead bodies three-and-a-half days, and not allow their dead bodies to be put into graves. 10 And those who dwell on the earth will rejoice over them, make merry, and send gifts to one another, because these two prophets tormented those who dwell on the earth.
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Tormented is a curse. So we can see what has to be preached before is Moses and the Law. Eliyah turns the hearts of our children but the hearts of the children of Yahweh.( my El is YHWH) When they see the 2 witnesses ressurrected which also has to be the twinkling of an eye where the dead are raised 1st and satan who has a short time goes after the Remnant

Rev 12:17-13:1
7 And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of Yahweh and have the testimony of Yahshua our Messiah.


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The off spring is also called the Remnant those who give thier lives. The church the 144000 virgins have been changed and risen up to Yahshua.

This is the great crowd of the Remnant the Epriam Prophecy of Gen 48 17-19 .

These were on the fence but now believe.

Rev 7:13-8:1

13 Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, "Who are these arrayed in white robes, and where did they come from?"

14 And I said to him, "Sir, you know."

So he said to me,"These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 Therefore they are before the throne of God, and serve Him day and night in His temple. And He who sits on the throne will dwell among them. 16 They shall neither hunger anymore nor thirst anymore; the sun shall not strike them, nor any heat; 17 for the Lamb who is in the midst of the throne will shepherd them and lead them to living fountains of waters. And Yahweh will wipe away every tear from their eyes."


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They are also talked about else where. But Malachi's prophecy is of the 2 witnesses who the whole world hates and they smite the earth with curses. Blessings Miles

there is only one root curse on mankind......FEAR, that create many other curses to be created by men, not god, which is love......

hear all spoken from a fear perspective and one will disseminate part as good and part as bad, and then try to follow the good, all along not seeing that what was heard thru fear is now being defended against, and reacted to, and then evil be created...........anything heard thru fear is heard thru the curse, so the curse has power, as certainly all can see evil is created by men trying to avoid what they FEAR!!!!!

The root curse of mankind is fear, I agree.

But its cause is normally brought about because of religion.

You will always get clever men and women who can manipulate the populace into believing anything.

Isn’t it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too? D.Adams

indeed men hear things of god and truth thru fear which make them run and hide and tear one another to shredds, in their haste to make themselves good, never knowing all along only agreeing with the truth cause the mind to revere it, and make the body and actions then subject to the truth the mind believe, as certainly we see the mind control all the body does.......

the truth never try to change actions, but rather sees how another mispercieved their own thoughts thru fear of bad, and then this truth known give what to say to give each power to free themselves from what has great potential to create more evil or hatred......hate has power, it does, but only to perpetuate more hatred, so then a so called answer found thru fear when grown create more or even greater hate.......

all that has been believed by religion is truth, but heard thru fear that make men re-teach half-truths, and the proof of such is words that create more fear, and give men selfish motive to save themselves as any sane man would.......so the teachers of fear must see they produce nothing that even they themselves will profit from, as nothing that live with fear produce as well as without it, nothing that live in fear can be loyal, and nothing that live in fear will leave a happy man alone to be happy, lol

so then the truth must be what makes mens FALSE fears known to themself, and then each has the power to erase the misperception that caused it....

if one look at all data heard, even when it is thought the truth is not spoken, and NOTHING seen or heard is left out of reasoning as untruth, then the WHOLE truth can be deducted by simple logic that only need fill in the ONE possible answer or missing piece of the puzzle......men that lie give away the truth even when they do not know it, as all lies are indeed half-truths, which can be seen right thru, with no special power except one that believes in NO EVIL......THIS give one the WHOLE story to create solutions to abolish ALL evil, all unpeace, all strife, all things not liked by mankind, even removing all bad from the whole planet when all truths are clearly seen, all with nothing but words......

A lot of Nostradamus's prophecies have come true, however most by chance. There are a number of them that have not come true, there is no true prophecy in the world anymore. At one time yes, but basic evolution wasn't taken into consideration for most of them.

did he promote HIMSELF as a knower of the future


just curious


and if he did not then how can he be a fake

maybe some just want something to grasp

whether it be positive or negative version

as far as the jousting incident was he summoned because he said he could tell the future or because they believed he could tell the future

organized religion === the root of evil