Iraq is an economical mistake, let me help you people with something...economy=money, we lose economy the equation will go something like this: economy-money=anarchy. We do remember what happened to Russia, right?

we have had this debate before...geez...you are a broken record at times and you don't even listen when explained. even if you don't agree...at least listen

how about ask a soldier or former soldier that was there what the people think or why they mouth that instead of listening to your slanted reporter? go to someone with first hand knowledge. like robm or drivin

Geez, I have listened to them, over and over and they cannot discount the fact that the Iraqis are in fear of us and therefore a soldier cannot get an accurate feed from them on what is going on with them there. You saw it earlier in this thread if you were reading. We invaded them, how can our soldiers get an accurate feed from them of how things are? They cannot, we are the enemy too.

funny...i heard the people want us there to get out of the Hussien madness and they are scared of us because of the propganda from those who hate us like insurgents and they usually find out we aren't the bad guys and are there to help

why else would we be rebuilding (most countried don't) and trying to help them establish a governement where the people can vote for themselves?i have seen you argue with many soldiers that were their because you listen to the slanted media

my sister is the most liberal person you will ever meet...because she (like me) don't believe everything we hear or read (we use logic) even she knows 9/11 isn't why we wen into iraq...desert storm came beore 9/11 and we have been having problems with hussien since...oh and you people keep forgetting how he treated his on people . do i know that from the media alone...no...i know alot of soldiers

I dont feel that 'WE' are over there killing and blowing people up, I am not, Its soldiers that feel justified because thay are Only doing what thay are told. A lot of bad things happen in the world and we would like 2 change it, It is very fustrating
when others outright LIE about things we want them 2 tell the truth. What is going 2 happen is going 2 happen, The only thing we can control is ourselves as individuals, How we are going 2 spend our lives. A lot of bad things are on the horizon 4 america, And what people are realy made of is going 2 come out.
I am spending time trying 2 beter myself so i can help provide 4 myself and loved ones, There are only a few things that are right, and those are things we can do, Nothing else realy matters. wait and see what happens, If u wore right dont glote about it, if u wore wrong, hope u are forgiven,
Help Ur self 1st, then if u are right u will be able 2 help someone else that was wrong. We need water food shelter love
and each other 4 the 1st 4 things, nothing else matters, the media and the politicals can go 2 hell, I dont want 2 be there with them.

Such as you, in particular.

Funny how you purview anti-Bush sites far and wide, being convinced of your own mental superiority - and yet are lead around by the nose yourself.

Has the thought ever crossed any of your brain cells (and I know there are only four - One dwells upon the evils of Bush, One dwells upon the evils of Iraq, third is circling the first two trying to come up with something good, and the fourth is just clueless)

Ever think these "fair and unbiased" sites you go to *might* have some form of agenda themselves ?

Madison - you are just some form of rabid anti-Bu****e. I would ask how many of your type it takes to screw in a lightbulb, but it wouldn't really make a difference. The lot of you wouldn't realize you are still in the dark anyway.

sounds like yer saying they are to busy trying to figure out how to screw in the light bulb the best way

that by the time they get around to doing anything it is to late cause the darkness has over taken them

just a thought

but hey what do i know

Actually, Armydoc and myself have already had these arguments with you. In past ones I have posted site info that showed surveys of the people are happy we are there and helped. What they are not happy with is the idea that we will be setting up permanent bases there. When the media says they want us gone that is basically what they mean, but they get more ratings if they just leave it at "they want us gone".

It wasn't illegal since it was passed in congress and we had much support (look at all the countries that sent troops.. something like 50) Again I posted all this before but you just push it to the side anyway so w/e. Like they say, you can lead a camel to water, but you cant make them drink.

You know - did not even look to see who that was directed at, or who wrote it...but jjeeezzzuuss...

that is funny!!!

Um... actually our economy is screwed up because of stupid laws made in our own country regarding lending... and because a few people are driving prices up in commodities because they are scared of the situation. As a general rule of thumb war stimulates an economy. Russia had some major internal problems that helped with that infamous collapse to end the cold war. If not we might still be in that standoff.

I personally am glad that the economy is faltering. It is time to get real with what is happening here. There is time to fix this if people will pull their heads out of the sand. Being crushed back to reality is never a bad thing

All I have to do is look at what bush has done to america to rest my case, no one could wish more than I that our country hadnt been lead into disaster. I truly wish we didnt have a 4 trillion defecit or gas wasnt near five bucks a gallone or the houseing market handt crashed, or that our borders were more secure, or the dollar hand botemed out shall I continue? tell me what does you and the right wing have to claim as some type of succses?

You blame everything on Bush --just because you have that stuck in your craw, and can't get it off your brain.

Bush didn't cause the housing market mess - greedy people looking to make dollars hand over fist did that. Bush didn't force people to act insanely, having three way bidding wars for a house. Bush didn't force people to over-extend themselves in buying a house at the absolute maximum of what they could pay.

People got greedy, and didn't think before they acted.

Bush didn't drive up the oil prices. We do that, through use and speculation. Bush doesn't force you to drive an SUV, and America' poor energy policies have been lacking way before Bush took over. Bush isn't forcing futures and commodity buyers to drive up the price per barrel, which is the largest part of the increase. Hell, something obtuse happens, and you can watch the trading price climb several dollars, just on a rumor.

The only thing you have proven so far..is you incessant need to prove yourself an whiny one-note song.

And.... none of this was wrong before bush? Tell me, what does the left wing have as a claim for some type of success?
Oh, and please don't just state some random mush about how bush ruined things... give me specifics and maybe I'll go easy on tearing them apart!

AGAIN....what bush has done. AGAIN where were the democrats you elected into office???? they have the majority by 3 last time i checked. were they busy playing you can pick your friend, you can pick your nose, but you can't pick your friend's nose???? maybe they were trying to test out that theory. or maybe you should elect democrats into office that won't just sit around and then whine after the fact.

I give up trying to talk logically about the legalities of the Iraq War.
Now, I just want the Draft to begin. I bet 90% of these folk would do a 180 in their views if they were required to do their part in Bush's great sacrifice.....

Damn the Republicans and their armchair generals

and damn the Democrats too

What are you talking about Fanta, you don't even like Bush or the war, or at least that has been your stance in the past. Are joking around again???