That with the amount of debate going on in these topic towards Christians....that whenever someone posts a thread about something bad happening in their life (sorry HellKitten I'm sorry to hear about your apartment) but it just sparked something I've seen several times, that one of the 1st responses is always, "Is There a Church You Can Ask For Help"?

Seems rather ironic that so many choose to put down Christians for their beliefs but yet when times are tough, where is there first place you are told to look for help?

Hypocrisy..... If you only look for light when you cant see.... whats the point......... My wife had an affair, and everyone wants me to go to church for it..... Naaahhh....... Especially since it was the same church she was baptised in, a month before her affair.......

Im not bashing religion... Im bashing those whom use it for the wrong reasons......

Whoever said that a church has to be of the Christian faith? There are actually a lot of non-denominational churches that focus on humanitarianism.

I most certainly don’t denounce humanitarianism and humanitarian efforts.

I think a lot of people confuse the idea of rejecting ancient doctrines as being nothing more than mythology, with the idea that someone is bashing humanitarianism.

I’m not going to support a doomsday mythology that has man fighting a major religious war of catastrophic proportions just so as not to offend people who might be using that as an excuse to become humanitarians.

They can become humanitarians without supporting a doomsday religious myth.

And where you actually _get_ the help? Answer: The secular government.

Don't take my word for, do your own research-- I think you'll find that of 2/3rd of all charitable contributions come from those making more than $200,000/yr, and of that, only 5.6% of that money goes for basic needs.

Or, look at the televangelists. I've read some spend 90% of the money they receive on 'administrative' expenses. You know, things like teak pews. Or in the case of Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker, an air conditioned dog house.

Bonus points: research Operation Blessing


-Kerry O.

Case in point, note how the Uber Religionists always hold secular humanism in as high a regard as a brothel.


-Kerry O.

the irony is that if there is a church near by its doors are locked and no one is answering the bell..why is that?

It really boils down to one on one, face to face in your love. What will you do?

I think you are right on that one abra. Non-denominational churches are well known for non-discretionary donations. You don't need to be a member, you don't need to believe, you simply need to be in need. I was a single parent with three little ones in South Carolina (back when I was an atheist ) and daycare was a killer just so I could go to work but food was an issue and a neighbor told me about a baptist church, Siloam Baptist. I went there and talked to a lady who gave me $300.00. A week later I was leaving for work and my daughter son said there was a bunch of bags of groceries on the front step. Eight bags full of groceries. I never found out where they came from. In one bag was a bible. I still have it.

I think bashing Christianity (or any religion) is boring. Its been done to death.

I happen to beleive in the bible, God, Jesus, and churches. When I was younger, bad things happened to me. Nothing ever seemed to go right. Then one day someone sat me down and told me to believe in Christanity and things will get better. So I did. I started reading the bible and eventually got myself in church and got baptized. I pray just about everyday. Now things seem so much better than what it use to be. If something is going wrong, all I have to do is pray and things get better.

My daughter is sick. She stayed in the hospital last week. A church gathered money up for us to help us out. One member even brought food for us. Her school did the same thing. When she was a baby, before I started believing in the Lord, no one ever offered to do these things for us. So, yes believing and praying helps. This I know is to be true for me.

I have to say that of the negative things you might hear or say about certain church groups or religions, if I had to estimate, I would say that in general, from my experience, I have seen churches come to the aid of people in need faster and more competently than the government.

If it were not for generous people with heart and for churches, the disaster of New Orleans would have been far more catastrophic than it was.

Where FEMA failed in their plan of disruption and chaos, people saw what was happening and took immediate action to help those people.

FEMA entered the area and purposely disrupted communication towers, actually tore them down, so they would be the only police force in control.

When Local law enforcement discovered this, they repaired the towers so they could communicate and help in the rescue of people and they had to leave guards at the tower to keep it up and to keep FEMA from doing it again.

Some counties, when hearing of what was going on set up road blocks to keep FEMA out.

People in the so-called shelters were not being allowed to leave and they were not being cared for or fed. They were prisoners.

But reporters, and churches and other people, some with money and helicopters, when they learned what was going on, rushed to their aid with food and supplies and water.

Even they were kept from entering the city with their supplies.

This shows me that there are so many good people who are willing to come to each other's aid and the churches play an important roll in organizing these people. Without these organizations in place, there would be chaos in these kinds of things.

I believe that New Orleans was a disaster, but that evil government forces purposely blew up the levies to flood that place in an effort to re-locate that community. I believe that FEMA was practicing Marshall law.

It has been done before in that same city. The levies were blown up on purpose. There was even a book written about it.

I am thankful for the good people who form the churches who do good works for the community.

JB

I grew up in an in area where it was only christian churches and 1 catholic, thus the generalization on my part. I have attended several non-denominational churches but all of them still included the bible and Jesus Christ as your savior, just not digging into the doctrine of a specific christian faith

They say ask a church for help because you can get help there.

You are a sweetheart JB!

Most of the money that came to the aide of New Orleans was from churches. As to the blowing up the levies, you really believe that??? You really believe that all these government individuals got together and without any heart, without any morals about posibility of killing, or destroying the lives of people, decided to orchastrate that...just to relocate New Orleans? And you think such a horrible act by the government would not have been exposed? What is the book you alluded to? Is it written by an intelligent, rational, objective person? It was rediculous to have built New Orleans where they did, and everyone but a child knew the possible consequences. I prayed for the people of New Orleans, and sent what I could. I was so glad so many people rushed in to aid. And where are they rebuilding?

Yes I do. It is a matter of history that this was done before.



"In 1927 the levies south of new Orleans were blown with dynamite in order to save the city (where the expensive buildings and rich people lived) from rising waters and instead flood the rural wetlands where the poor resided. The federal government approved this, and even informed the people of their plan, promising to compensate (which they never did).

I believe that this is where the leaders of today got the idea from, and gave it their added twist of evil.

There is some evidence that the storm was seeded, or fed moisture by man. Whether this was done by plane, global warming or by the reduction of the storm-buffering bayou we will never know. But Katrina grew rapidly as it moved through the gulf.
People of the city were told to evacuate, but many were stopped by police, and many had no transportation.

The storm passed, ripping up signs and chucking around debris as hurricanes tend to do. It soon died out, the skies cleared, people emerged to clean up their lawns, and a day went by.
Then BOOM, the levies were detonated in three spots, roughly evenly spaced apart. Water rushed in to flood the place. People were stranded on the roofs, floating on whatever they could, or dead. Power is out, communications are out, and no one is prepared. It was not a storm surge. Any experienced meteorologist will confirm that a surge would only take place BEFORE the storm hit, when it was strongest.

A hospital evacuates its patients by helicopter. People below see the helicopters and try to get into the hospital, but police are on the roof shooting them! Apparently they were protecting the medicine inside from "jonesin' perscription junkies".

Days and days went by with no help in sight. People were forced to stay in a convention centre with no food or water for over a week. Eventually many left New Orleans never to return because of the way they were treated by police. Lots of police went missing too, it's a wierd story, look it up.
Now rich zionist property owners bought up that land for pennies on the dollar, planning to rebuild, but this time without all the low income housing. THe NEW New Orleans will be something like Vegas from what I've heard.

"Hurricane Katrina was the most costly natural disaster ever in the US" is what was said. But they used it as an excuse: to raise oil prices (one of many), to "slip into recession" (FEDERAL RESERVE TOTALLY CONTROLS THIS), collect loans, make money off the land, .....on and on THE POINT IS the GOVERNMENT AND PRIVATE CORPORATIONS PROFITTED BIG TIME FROM HURRICANE KATRINA.




Of course it was. I am trying to locate the information about the book, but the 1927 incident is a matter of history.

JB

I can't find the name of the book, but there was one written. Here is a link to a site with information about the 1927 incident. I searched on google using :

1927 flood in new orleans

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/neworleans/peopleevents/p_butler.html

Blasts
Six men in business suits standing atop a levee lined on top with sandbags, floodwaters on both sides, 1927. The impending destruction of the levee forced mass evacuations of nearby residents, with the city designating a huge warehouse as a refugee center for those with nowhere else to go. Those residents were not allowed to witness the destruction of the levees: "Only the privileged with their official permits could pass the National Guard," noted one New Orleans writer. On April 29, three blasts rang out, but they would not do the job. It took 10 days and 39 tons of dynamite, which eventually released 250,000 cubit feet of water per second. A subsequent breach of a levee upriver, which eased pressure on New Orleans' levees, showed that the dynamiting wasn't needed to protect the city.

Reparations
Temporary town on top of the levee with refugees from the 1927 flood. After losing their homes, residents affected by the levee destruction were also denied the promised full compensation. Butler and J. Blanc Monroe, a fellow member of the Board of Liquidation of the City Debt, took control of the reparations process. While claims reached $35 million, Monroe, a lawyer and board member of the Whitney Bank, agreed to pay $3.9 million -- minus $1 million for food and housing costs -- to the displaced residents. After several corporate claimants were paid, 2,809 individuals received an average of $284 each. More than 1,000 ot