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Even when the CIA tried to set Bush and company back on track they still lied............In late January 2003, as Secretary of State Colin Powell prepared to argue the Bush administration's case against Iraq at the United Nations, veteran CIA officer Tyler Drumheller sat down with a classified draft of Powell's speech to look for errors. He found a whopper: a claim about mobile biological labs built by Iraq for germ warfare.
Drumheller instantly recognized the source, an Iraqi defector suspected of being mentally unstable and a liar. The CIA officer took his pen, he recounted in an interview, and crossed out the whole paragraph. few days later, the lines were back in the speech. Powell stood before the U.N. Security Council on Feb. 5 and said: "We have first-hand descriptions of biological weapons factories on wheels and on rails." http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/24/AR2006062401081.html?sub=new |
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Lindyy says: Let me refresh your memory - President George W. Bush is NOT running for President again. Lindyy Hey madison man perhaps you'll find the time to answer the post in which I pointed out a number of Democrats and their sincere belief long before President Bush was elected that Saddam had bio/chem/and even a nuclear program going. As far back as 1998 the same group that now claims they were "lied to" were saying EXACTLY what GWB went to war over. In this case the only difference is that while Dems believed that Saddam was a massive threat back then they didn't feel the need to do anything about it. -Drew |
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Edited by
rayne5
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Lindyy says: Let me refresh your memory - President George W. Bush is NOT running for President again. Lindyy Hey Madison, perhaps you'll find the time to answer the post in which I pointed out a number of Democrats and their sincere belief long before President Bush was elected that Saddam had bio/chem/and even a nuclear program going. As far back as 1998 the same group that now claims they were "lied to" were saying EXACTLY what GWB went to war over. In this case the only difference is that while Dems believed that Saddam was a massive threat back then they didn't feel the need to do anything about it. -Drew I wouldnt hold you breath drew. You got him back against a wall and he knows it. Besides he's to bussy acting superior right now. Guess what madman, yes there are many people that think gw should be tried as a war criminal, but guess what you and the rest of those people are in the minority. I may not like the guy but at least he had the balls to step up and do the job that needed to be done when everyone else was unwilling to do it. As for losing more troops in iraq than on 9/11. We loose guy's becouse we are conducting what the polititions call a humane war. We are making sure we dont compleatly distroy the place in the process. If all we wanted was to conquer the county and take there oil, as so many have claimed, I have one word for you MOAB. Look it up some time. The simplest way to understand what this thing does is think of a nuke without the radiation. all we would have to do is drop a few of these and that would eliminat a large amount of the populated portions of the country. But on the other hand we would be sacrificing countless civilians. So we take the high road and put our men and woman in harms way so we can keep civilian casualties as low as possible. |
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Lindyy says: Let me refresh your memory - President George W. Bush is NOT running for President again. Lindyy Hey Madison, perhaps you'll find the time to answer the post in which I pointed out a number of Democrats and their sincere belief long before President Bush was elected that Saddam had bio/chem/and even a nuclear program going. As far back as 1998 the same group that now claims they were "lied to" were saying EXACTLY what GWB went to war over. In this case the only difference is that while Dems believed that Saddam was a massive threat back then they didn't feel the need to do anything about it. -Drew I wouldnt hold you breath drew. You got him back against a wall and he knows it. Besides he's to bussy acting superior right now. Guess what madman, yes there are many people that think gw should be tried as a war criminal, but guess what you and the rest of those people are in the minority. I may not like the guy but at least he had the balls to step up and do the job that needed to be done when everyone else was unwilling to do it. As for losing more troops in iraq than on 9/11. We loose guy's becouse we are conducting what the polititions call a humane war. We are making sure we dont compleatly distroy the place in the process. If all we wanted was to conquer the county and take there oil, as so many have claimed, I have one word for you MOAB. Look it up some time. The simplest way to understand what this thing does is think of a nuke without the radiation. all we would have to do is drop a few of these and that would eliminat a large amount of the populated portions of the country. But on the other hand we would be sacrificing countless civilians. So we take the high road and put our men and woman in harms way so we can keep civilian casualties as low as possible. A fair and valid point. You know what else just kills me here? Where were all of the "we hate dictators" crowds when Saddam was gassing the Kurds in northern Iraq? Some people here have no trouble participating in calling GWB everything from a liar to a warmonger but you'd think that sprinkled in for flavor would be a few posts condemning those who rape, torture and murder people (and were doing so for decades) people like Saddam. I wonder if there are any posts here at all that even mention that? Again, I won't hold my breathe. -Drew |
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i'm so not reading this. the selfproclaimed republicans say the silliest things
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i'm so not reading this. the selfproclaimed republicans say the silliest things If you aren't going to read it how can you be so sure that the things said are so silly? Interesting counter-argument. -Drew |
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most of the responces are the same in every thread
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Lindyy says: Let me refresh your memory - President George W. Bush is NOT running for President again. Lindyy Hey Madison, perhaps you'll find the time to answer the post in which I pointed out a number of Democrats and their sincere belief long before President Bush was elected that Saddam had bio/chem/and even a nuclear program going. As far back as 1998 the same group that now claims they were "lied to" were saying EXACTLY what GWB went to war over. In this case the only difference is that while Dems believed that Saddam was a massive threat back then they didn't feel the need to do anything about it. -Drew I wouldnt hold you breath drew. You got him back against a wall and he knows it. Besides he's to bussy acting superior right now. Guess what madman, yes there are many people that think gw should be tried as a war criminal, but guess what you and the rest of those people are in the minority. I may not like the guy but at least he had the balls to step up and do the job that needed to be done when everyone else was unwilling to do it. As for losing more troops in iraq than on 9/11. We loose guy's becouse we are conducting what the polititions call a humane war. We are making sure we dont compleatly distroy the place in the process. If all we wanted was to conquer the county and take there oil, as so many have claimed, I have one word for you MOAB. Look it up some time. The simplest way to understand what this thing does is think of a nuke without the radiation. all we would have to do is drop a few of these and that would eliminat a large amount of the populated portions of the country. But on the other hand we would be sacrificing countless civilians. So we take the high road and put our men and woman in harms way so we can keep civilian casualties as low as possible. A fair and valid point. You know what else just kills me here? Where were all of the "we hate dictators" crowds when Saddam was gassing the Kurds in northern Iraq? Some people here have no trouble participating in calling GWB everything from a liar to a warmonger but you'd think that sprinkled in for flavor would be a few posts condemning those who rape, torture and murder people (and were doing so for decades) people like Saddam. I wonder if there are any posts here at all that even mention that? Again, I won't hold my breathe. -Drew So Drew, assuming we ever get out of Iraq, which dictator do you think we should go after next? I seem to recall that at the height of the Clinton impeachment hearings, many of the same people who support the war in Iraq were saying that Clinton should not have gotten us into Bosnia or other 'police' actions around the world. That he was just using those to draw fire away from himself. And that we shouldn't be Team America:World Police. Besides, Hussein was executed and we're still there with no end in sight. And if he was such a staunch member of Al Quida, why did they not lift a finger to prevent that? He was captured in the most humiliating of circumstances-- all alone in a hole in the ground. See, the trouble with your position is that you ask rhetorical question and frame the debate in such a manner that only the monoculture of George Bush supporters can possibly have any 'correct' answers. Everyone else is being stupid and/or a traitor, those being the only other choices in the equation. Public opinion polls have shown that Americans are more sophisticated than this and they voted with their feet _against_ the politicians that pulled this stunt in the last Congressional elections. They may not like what they got, but one thing is for sure-- they hated the people like Rick Santorum (who lost in a landslide) a LOT more. That's a demonstrable fact. And while people like Newt Gingrich can still get rich off the books preaching to the choir, it's one the hard line wing of the party is going to have to live with. -Kerry O. |
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Edited by
Lindyy
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.............Congressional elections. They may not like what they got, but one thing is for sure-- they hated the people like Rick Santorum (who lost in a landslide) a LOT more. That's a demonstrable fact. And while people like Newt Gingrich can still get rich off the books preaching to the choir, it's one the hard line wing of the party is going to have to live with. -Kerry O. KO: Sounds like perhaps you are a fellow Pennsylvanian? Well, given that everyone knows PA is, unfortunately, democrat led by a far left liberal governor who believes in partial birth abortion, probably the same position you take on this heinous and criminal action. Against the Iraq war and war on terrorism, yet have no problem applying terroristic death sentences on partially born babies. How gallant you are. As per Drew's and Rayne's posts, they are absolutely correct and I only have this to add to their comments: PEOPLE LIKE MADMAN AND YOU HAVE WHAT I CALL 'SELECTIVE MEMORY.' Lindyy 
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One should really look up the definition of a lie before claiming someone has done so on many occassions.
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Lindyy says:
One more item, to all of you complaining about President Bush's spending, selective memory again: CONGRESS (YES YOUR LIBERAL CONGRESS) HAS TO APPROVE SPENDING BEFORE A DIME GOES ANYWHERE. So, who is to blame for all the "spending?" And, your liberal democrats 'pork' projects???? 
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i'm so not reading this. the selfproclaimed republicans say the silliest things  
Damn Republicans 
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Edited by
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listen we are there... we have been there for a long time.
THEY hate us!! for it.... can we agree to just stand by AMERICANS!!! should the debate of why we are there continue??? how flipping stupid!!! I personally would rather have our soldiers there, than their soldiers over here!!! Regardless if THEY WERE plotting against us or not!! BECAUSE if they werent THEN, they sure as heck are NOW!! |
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listen we are there... we have been there for a long time. THEY hate us!! for it.... can we agree to just stand by AMERICANS!!! should the debate of why we are there continue??? how flipping stupid!!! I personally would rather have our soldiers there, than their soldiers over here!!! Regardless if THEY WERE plotting against us or not!! BECAUSE if they werent THEN, they sure as heck are NOW!! Thank God. Someone else who can see the 'whole' picture. Lindyy
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listen we are there... we have been there for a long time. THEY hate us!! for it.... can we agree to just stand by AMERICANS!!! should the debate of why we are there continue??? how flipping stupid!!! I personally would rather have our soldiers there, than their soldiers over here!!! Regardless if THEY WERE plotting against us or not!! BECAUSE if they werent THEN, they sure as heck are NOW!! Thank God. Someone else who can see the 'whole' picture. Lindyy
I was beginning to think I was the only one!! |
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............In late January 2003, the most important sentence... my calendar says April 12, 2008... the past is the past!! Deal with TODAY!! or hey, lets wait untill sept 11 rolls around darlin.... u wanna go outside then?? u would be begging for OUR TROOPS. and praying u had GUNS!! |
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i'm so not reading this. the selfproclaimed republicans say the silliest things
Damn Republicans
((DAMN AMERICANS>>>>>> LET me just BLOW them all UP!!! I got some good bombs..let me strap them to my chest... who gives a crap republican vs democrat..))) u wanna talk history go back MUCH FURTHER it starts like this.. WE THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA........ |
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.............Congressional elections. They may not like what they got, but one thing is for sure-- they hated the people like Rick Santorum (who lost in a landslide) a LOT more. That's a demonstrable fact. And while people like Newt Gingrich can still get rich off the books preaching to the choir, it's one the hard line wing of the party is going to have to live with. -Kerry O. KO: Sounds like perhaps you are a fellow Pennsylvanian? Well, given that everyone knows PA is, unfortunately, democrat led by a far left liberal governor who believes in partial birth abortion, probably the same position you take on this heinous and criminal action. Against the Iraq war and war on terrorism, yet have no problem applying terroristic death sentences on partially born babies. How gallant you are. As per Drew's and Rayne's posts, they are absolutely correct and I only have this to add to their comments: PEOPLE LIKE MADMAN AND YOU HAVE WHAT I CALL 'SELECTIVE MEMORY.' Lindyy
I you'd be so kind, please tell me the exact number of babies you're accusing me of _personally_ murdering. Not that you'd care, but I'm a progressive and registered Independent, have voted for candidates of both parties, and voted for Ross Perot for president. As for selective memory, I think you're forgetting that Bob Casey opposed abortion, and I doubt you voted for him. I think you're also forgetting that Rick Santorum promised to be a resident senator, but when nobody was looking, he moved to Virginia and had Pennsylania taxpayers foot the bill for his children's education in private schools. While being a loud critic of the tort system and settlements, he and his wife nonetheless sued and obtained settlements far in excess of the cutoffs he was trying to get passed. I can go on, if you'd like, and I can provide citations for all of this, too. Can you back up your ad hominem character attacks on myself with similar citations? So, I'm left wondering if you are just fishing for any strawman you can find to use as a sock puppet to put words in my mouth and then distort out of all rational porportion the gist of my arguments. It didn't work for Rick Santorum and it won't work for you. Rick had to answer to the voters, and if you get too extreme and start namecalling, I'll see that you have to answer to the mods. Your choice- bait or debate. -Kerry O. |
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Lindyy says: Let me refresh your memory - President George W. Bush is NOT running for President again. Lindyy Hey Madison, perhaps you'll find the time to answer the post in which I pointed out a number of Democrats and their sincere belief long before President Bush was elected that Saddam had bio/chem/and even a nuclear program going. As far back as 1998 the same group that now claims they were "lied to" were saying EXACTLY what GWB went to war over. In this case the only difference is that while Dems believed that Saddam was a massive threat back then they didn't feel the need to do anything about it. -Drew I wouldnt hold you breath drew. You got him back against a wall and he knows it. Besides he's to bussy acting superior right now. Guess what madman, yes there are many people that think gw should be tried as a war criminal, but guess what you and the rest of those people are in the minority. I may not like the guy but at least he had the balls to step up and do the job that needed to be done when everyone else was unwilling to do it. As for losing more troops in iraq than on 9/11. We loose guy's becouse we are conducting what the polititions call a humane war. We are making sure we dont compleatly distroy the place in the process. If all we wanted was to conquer the county and take there oil, as so many have claimed, I have one word for you MOAB. Look it up some time. The simplest way to understand what this thing does is think of a nuke without the radiation. all we would have to do is drop a few of these and that would eliminat a large amount of the populated portions of the country. But on the other hand we would be sacrificing countless civilians. So we take the high road and put our men and woman in harms way so we can keep civilian casualties as low as possible. A fair and valid point. You know what else just kills me here? Where were all of the "we hate dictators" crowds when Saddam was gassing the Kurds in northern Iraq? Some people here have no trouble participating in calling GWB everything from a liar to a warmonger but you'd think that sprinkled in for flavor would be a few posts condemning those who rape, torture and murder people (and were doing so for decades) people like Saddam. I wonder if there are any posts here at all that even mention that? Again, I won't hold my breathe. -Drew http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/2/story.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10395136 |
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damn news.....
they told me it was gonna snow today!!! and they follwed brittney around cuz they had nothin better to do!!! did that grab your attention??? dude they made some money.. lets applause!!! |
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