Oh, I don't make "lists of what a man has said or done"; I remember what a person has said or done,

remember?


Nahhhh...if people don't want others to remember what they've said or done, what should be done differently is not saying or doing those things they don't want to be *held accountable* for, later.


Like I said, since being able to remember things (not refer to lists) has served me well in ALL aspects of my life, I'M not too keen to do anything differently and changing it.

Gosh...if blondie's in on it, I'm guessing it's medical-related...



...*like* - maybe - an organ transport case.

That was nicely verbose and filled with much verbiage.



But, still I ask: since it is CONGRESS' job to amend the immigration policies as it pertains to health screening of immigrants

and the last time they did anything health-related was in 1996

and President Obama took office on January 20, 2008,

how does this get laid at President Obama's feet?!?



It's OK to admit that it can't be laid at his feet,


IF - and ONLY if - we are factually-speaking.


We ARE factually- [and NOT knee-jerkingly- and emotionally-]speaking here,


riiiiiiight?!?

It appears they mention those two every chance they get (and keep those two within every thought that they have) as an ongoing testament and constant reminder to themselves as to how little those two REALLY mean in the grand scheme of things.

Yup, yup...I DO have a very good memory; always have. It's served me well in school, in my career, in my life, AND while dating/relating with men.

It's simply one OTHER arena that I won't 'dumb-it-down' just so others can feel better.




But, I've always figured the fact that I'm a woman is completely coincidental and incidental to it all.

Heigh!!!

How does this get laid at President Obama's feet?!?

CONGRESS is responsible for setting immigration policy, which includes who gets excluded for what known health hazards. The history of immigration policy as it pertains to disease is as follows:

Immigration Act of 1891
Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952
Immigration Amendments Act of 1990
1996 Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act


In 1993, people with HIV/AIDS were banned; this was rescinded in 2008. In 2007, concerns were raised about TB; to date, nothing has been done about it.

http://fas.org/sgp/crs/homesec/R40570.pdf


President Obama took office on January 20, 2009.


The last Congressional Amendment to the health standards for entry to the United States (THEIR job and responsibility) was in 1996.


Again, how does this get laid at President Obama's feet?!?

Nahhhh...President Obama is NOT going to erase his ink from the Act as Congress holds him hostage over non-funding of programs, failing to pass a budget, and/or failing to approve appointees.


He's said, quite clearly, the Act goes away the moment Congress passes an Immigration Bill OR when a new POTUS assumes office and does away it, whichever comes first.

Again and for the last time, the quickest, easiest, and most expeditious way to undue this Act which never should have BEEN signed is simply to pass an Immigration Bill withIN Congress, like they're paid to do.

Or, instead of doing the job they're paid to do, they can continue to stutter, stamp little feet, and stone-wall.


It appears they have the approval of most of the people participating in THIS thread TO continue to do nothing for a few MORE decades, if need be.




*Funny*, according to you erudite folk, I'm simply "a libtard", and even I don't like MY taxpayer dollars being wasted like this.

Simply not true, no matter how many times you re-type it.


"In 1986, Mr. Reagan signed the so-called amnesty bill passed by Congress that granted legal status to three million undocumented immigrants, and then acted on his own the following year to expand it to about 100,000 more...

...Mr. Bush moved in 1990 to allow 1.5 million undocumented spouses and children of immigrants who were in the process of becoming legal permanent residents to stay in the country and obtain work permits..." No act of Congress necessary...nor obtained.



President Obama's Act provides amnesty to absolutely no one. Zilch. Nada. There is no amnesty to ANYONE included in the plan he's signing.[/size=18]

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/21/us/politics/obamas-immigration-decision-has-precedents-but-may-set-a-new-one.html?_r=0

To do away with it, Congress need only sign a bill of their own. Should be easy enough to do, once the new Conservative-controlled House and Senate arrive in town,


riiiiiight?

Something tells me YOUR idea of "(me) having some fun with you" here and MY idea of "(me) having some fun with you" here


are not going to be aligned, OP.



Best of luck to you!!!

Except President Obama's plan doesn't provide amnesty to ANYone, though Reagan's and Bush's plans did.


Guess Reagan and Bush were simply pandering to the Haitian vote then,



then. Ergo-ipso-facto.

No more so than President Reagan and President George (H. W.) Bush.



Factually-(and historically-)speaking, that is.



*Odd* no one's bothered by THOSE Acts.

Ummmm...actually, they do...at least here in the United States, anyway.


Barring emancipation, *magically* at 18 years of age, every *child* becomes responsible for their own actions, something they weren't at 17 years-and-364-days of age.





P.S. The OP has already deactivated, so all of this is moot, anyway.

Indeed.

President Obama is no more "an emperor" nor "a king" than Presidents Reagan and Bush (the first one) were.


Factually-speaking, of course.



And, we ARE "factually-speaking", here...riiiiiiight???

Not at all; they are not to be believed as they are "a bunch of libtards who don't know what they're talking about".


Why so many of you are now hanging your hats on their words NOW is rather oh-what's-the-word





hypocritical.

According to you, "PolitiFact is a libtard organization that doesn't know what they're talking about."




Why are you suddenly changing your position?

Only after they successfully and retroactively impeach Reagan and the first Bush.


It's a tool that's been used repeatedly throughout our history as a nation. The ONLY difference THIS time is it's a black POTUS holding the pen.

Nahhhh...it's the same thing that was done under Reagan in 1986 with his penning of the Immigration Reform and Control Act

AND

the same thing that was done with George H. W. Bush's Immigration Act of 1990

except

that President Obama's Act doesn't provide blanket amnesty (as theirs did); it merely provides a path to (NOT a guaranty of) remaining here legally.


http://www.nationaljournal.com/domesticpolicy/obama-s-executive-action-isn-t-outrageous-it-s-how-immigration-reform-gets-done-20141120

This.

One of President Obama's primary objectives from his first presidential campaign was to overhaul our current immigration system which is outdated, outmoded, and completely ineffectual...and has been for decades.

Congress and presidents for decades have known this. They are also aware that tackling immigration can be a death knoll for one's political career, which is why everyone steers clear of it and it is an issue that presidents ONLY address in their 2nd term...if at all.

President Obama has made no bones about it: pass a bill, and he'll rescind the Acts. His signatures on these Acts today simply remove another day of doing nothing about the problem.

It will be up to the newly Republican-headed House and Senate to decide if they'd actually like to step up to the plate and do the job they've been elected - and are paid - to do, or if they'd like to spend 25 MORE months (on top of the previous 71 months) avoiding doing their job while receiving pay by concentrating on suing the president and/or working to impeach him before his second and final term in office ends on January 20, 2017.



They could, instead, simply pass a workable immigration bill.

Since that's their job which they get paid TO do, and since they're already THERE on Capitol Hill, anyway...it seems to quickest, easiest, most effective, and most cost-conscious way to go.


For the record, I'm not a big fan of many of President Obama's solutions to this as he's outlined them and I'm seeing HUGE problems 3 years from now if the Acts DO stand. But, I DO see what he's doing and what his game plan is - forcing the people in Congress who ARE able to be re-elected for many, many MORE terms TO finally do something, after decades of stalling and stone-walling.



He promised he'd Change the Way Washington Does Business, and he's delivering ON that promise..."whether we like it or not".

Personally, I'm fricken thrilled and the fact that it's causing [some] others such discomfort, is simply the sweetest icing on an already perfectly-baked cake.