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Mon 02/02/09 10:17 PM

I bet he would see things we can't even imagine


LSD tends to have that effect.

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Mon 02/02/09 11:53 AM

whatever simon. u must not .......ok im not gonna get in trouble tonite..


Hey, I'm not doggin on Lemmy. But come on. As a parody, that might work, but only as a novelty.

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Mon 02/02/09 11:23 AM
So you admit that owning a gun for protection could be necessary in certain circumstances.

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Mon 02/02/09 11:08 AM
Edited by TheRebelSun on Mon 02/02/09 11:10 AM




You live in a fantasy land...


Weren't you offering a hypothetical situation? I don't think it's fantasy at all to think that if the US introduced an anti-gun law, it'd be practical to ban the sale of *new* guns and ammo effective a year or so after the law is passed. Even if people stockpile ammunition, it's more than safe to say that people would in a decade, run out.

I have been kind enough to try to back up my statements with explanations. It'd be nice if you'd do the same, instead of just trying to make me feel bad through the Interweb. flowerforyou


Wrong. There are plenty of capable blacksmiths and machinists out there who can and do forge their own firearms and ammunition. So you're saying take the guns away from the good people and just hope the bad people with the guns don't come to YOUR house.


Sure, there are plenty of people who can make their own firearms. It'll just be illegal for them to sell those guns. I still don't see your point. I can make all the heroine I want behind doors and no one would know, lol. I can even sell it on the black market.
If gun use eventually drops because of this hypothetical legislation, then, of course, shooting ranges will slowly lose customers. The blacksmiths will have to have their own shooting ranges in the backyard, but some neighbors may even feel unsafe enough to call the police.

Seeing as I don't have a gun now, and neither does the bulk of America, I don't see why you guys are so paranoid down in the south? Is crime and violence really such a problem down there that you feel like you need to have a gun on your person always? I mean, I live in New York, so I suppose my neighborhood ain't daisies either, but it's no war zone. Seriously, do some martial arts and I have a wooden sword near by bed. Between hiding behind a doorway in wait and that wooden sword, I feel okay "hoping the bad people with the guns" don't come to my house. Plus, most of the bad guys who break and enter probably don't think I'm home or think I'm asleep, plus they're probably hard up for cash to get their drug fix, so they're probably not armed.

Yeah, so seriously, if most of America feels reasonably safe, what makes your hometown such a war zone?

Oh, and let me add that cities generally tend to have more crime, yet the people in the cities also tend to choose not to buy guns, at least more so than in other areas in America. So again, we feel safe enough, so why don't you?


Probably this, hopefully that. All speculation.

Okay, so if it's illegal for them to sell those guns, they won't be distributing those guns right? Just like other illegal things, like crack and meth. Those are illegal and the people who manufacture them clearly don't sell them or use them. Oh man, this gets more and more hopeless.

If anything comes of this debate, I guess no one can accuse you of not having a vivid imagination.

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Mon 02/02/09 10:46 AM
Edited by TheRebelSun on Mon 02/02/09 10:47 AM






that's it right there - people with malicious intent kill people


YES, but seeing as this thread *started* with a child killing another child accidentally, that is *without malicious intent*, I would have guessed that you'd have understood my point. When it comes to guns, it's much easier for people *without malicious intent* to kill others *accidentally*.

flowerforyou



while they maybe manufactured/produced for a specific use - things (sh!t) can always happen - accidents are just that unexpected actions/events.

I for one use a butter knife as a screwdriver when in haste winking

there will always be a what if - I say what if we were all careful, educated and accepted the fact that when in possession of a weapon or firearm we are liable for things/events/accidents that occur - more would be responsible.

Does this mean banning guns - No

flowerforyou


Does this mean banning guns? Why not? I have yet to hear one practical reason for having guns that isn't immediately and easily debatable. In fact, I've seen on several occasions supposedly pro-gun arguments that actually support my argument, for example, the one raiderfan_32 made "against" my "decreasing guns in homes" argument.

You say we should be liable for whatever might happen with our guns. I don't doubt it for a second, though, that many gun owners who have had their kid accidentally killed by a gun don't feel at least a little guilt for having that gun. Granted, there will be those who only feel guilty about not locking things up tighter, but you've got to admit that there will be plenty who also regret having the gun at all.


Okay, I'll play your speculation scenario game.

Someone walks into your home and shoots your mother and father. You're in another room. What do you do? Wait until they come shoot you? HOPE you can overtake them?

If you would watch that Youtube link I posted it will clear things up nice and pretty like for you.



Okay, I'll play too. Someone comes in and randomly shoots my mom and dad. I grab the wooden sword that's in my room and hide to the left of my doorway. The guy comes after me: as soon as he enters (supposedly his hands are in front of him, so gun first), I swing for his gun, hit, then plow the guy over. First thing: I push my fingers into his eyes, knee him in the crotch. I get up, kick him in the head, then call the police.


If I had a gun in my house, this is how I'd do it:
I'd do the same exact thing, except when he enters, I use the gun to shoot his hand, then shoot him in the head. That's if the gun is in my room or something.

Now, let's say I'm in the living room and this happens while my parents are in the kitchen. Well, probably I wouldn't have a gun, and I wouldn't have a wooden sword. I'd still head for a doorway and try to tackle the guy...

And if I tried to get into a long range gunfight with the guy, well, then who knows who'd win.

Lastly, the probability of a psychopath just entering and shooting is much less than someone entering when everyone's asleep, stealing some ****, then leaving. In that case, let the guy steal the **** and leave - safer for everyone.


Okay, you shoot him in the hand to disarm him (okay Rambo) and then you shoot him in the head to kill him.

Mistake. You disarmed him when you shot him in the hand. Now you took self-defense a step further and committed manslaughter when you followed through with a shot to the head. You might get away with it considering the circumstances, you might not. 1 shot to the chest.

It's nice to THINK you could defend yourself against someone with a gun, without having one yourself. But it's just not realistic. Sorry.

Believe me, I wish guns had never been invented. I sure as hell wish the atomic bomb had never been invented. But they were, and they are very real. Those who don't have guns will be made to submit to those who don't. It's as simple as that, and there will never be an end to it so long as humankind exists.

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Mon 02/02/09 10:37 AM
I'm a treehugger and I get it. I don't see why it's so hard to accept.

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Mon 02/02/09 10:29 AM
Also, you take Americas guns away, you don't think some terrorist organization will take the opportunity to overthrow us?

If only the world were such a wonderful place.

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Mon 02/02/09 10:26 AM


You live in a fantasy land...


Weren't you offering a hypothetical situation? I don't think it's fantasy at all to think that if the US introduced an anti-gun law, it'd be practical to ban the sale of *new* guns and ammo effective a year or so after the law is passed. Even if people stockpile ammunition, it's more than safe to say that people would in a decade, run out.

I have been kind enough to try to back up my statements with explanations. It'd be nice if you'd do the same, instead of just trying to make me feel bad through the Interweb. flowerforyou


Wrong. There are plenty of capable blacksmiths and machinists out there who can and do forge their own firearms and ammunition. So you're saying take the guns away from the good people and just hope the bad people with the guns don't come to YOUR house.

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Mon 02/02/09 10:24 AM




that's it right there - people with malicious intent kill people


YES, but seeing as this thread *started* with a child killing another child accidentally, that is *without malicious intent*, I would have guessed that you'd have understood my point. When it comes to guns, it's much easier for people *without malicious intent* to kill others *accidentally*.

flowerforyou



while they maybe manufactured/produced for a specific use - things (sh!t) can always happen - accidents are just that unexpected actions/events.

I for one use a butter knife as a screwdriver when in haste winking

there will always be a what if - I say what if we were all careful, educated and accepted the fact that when in possession of a weapon or firearm we are liable for things/events/accidents that occur - more would be responsible.

Does this mean banning guns - No

flowerforyou


Does this mean banning guns? Why not? I have yet to hear one practical reason for having guns that isn't immediately and easily debatable. In fact, I've seen on several occasions supposedly pro-gun arguments that actually support my argument, for example, the one raiderfan_32 made "against" my "decreasing guns in homes" argument.

You say we should be liable for whatever might happen with our guns. I don't doubt it for a second, though, that many gun owners who have had their kid accidentally killed by a gun don't feel at least a little guilt for having that gun. Granted, there will be those who only feel guilty about not locking things up tighter, but you've got to admit that there will be plenty who also regret having the gun at all.


Okay, I'll play your speculation scenario game.

Someone walks into your home and shoots your mother and father. You're in another room. What do you do? Wait until they come shoot you? HOPE you can overtake them?

If you would watch that Youtube link I posted it will clear things up nice and pretty like for you.

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Mon 02/02/09 10:17 AM



And again, I contest that trust people to "be responsible," to o "educate themselves," and to "do the right thing" is asking way too much.


Yeah, freedom's a b1tch, ain't it?


Right, freedom to be dumb can get annoying. No one is saying that we should by law force people to be dumb though. Some of us are saying we should then *educate* people. Well, I say that this takes more resources than we have and that banning guns would solve more problems than just *educating*. Even educating may not even do such a good job at solving the problem, since it's small children, who tend to be clumsy and not mindful, who often are the victims of these accidents.

I mean, if the government cared so much about freedom, it'd be doing a lot of other, much more important stuff, differently. Freedom to bear firearms is not the issue for the government, even if it is the issue for you guys. It's the lobby groups and the tradition.


Children suffer the neglect of their responsible guardian. Period.

You're right, freedom to bear arms isn't an issue for the government because the government was founded on certain rights, THE RIGHT TO OWN A FIREARM being one of them. That part is settled and is irrevocable. The issue these days is with people who don't understand that right. Had the kid accidentally stabbed the other kid with scissors would you want to ban scissors? Had the kid accidentally drank bleach instead of Kool-aid would you want to ban bleach? People are to blame here. Not steel.

Please watch and listen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EdiTK4PRJM

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Mon 02/02/09 10:04 AM
The Last Resort - The Eagles

She came from Providence,
the one in Rhode Island
Where the old world shadows hang
heavy in the air
She packed her hopes and dreams
like a refugee
Just as her father came across the sea
She heard about a place people were smilin'
They spoke about the red man's way,
and how they loved the land
And they came from everywhere
to the Great Divide
Seeking a place to stand
or a place to hide

Down in the crowded bars,
out for a good time,
Can't wait to tell you all,
what it's like up there
And they called it paradise
I don't know why
Somebody laid the mountains low
while the town got high

Then the chilly winds blew down
Across the desert
through the canyons of the coast, to
the Malibu
Where the pretty people play,
hungry for power
to light their neon way
and give them things to do

Some rich men came and raped the land,
Nobody caught 'em
Put up a bunch of ugly boxes, and Jesus,
people bought 'em
And they called it paradise
The place to be
They watched the hazy sun, sinking in the sea

You can leave it all behind
and sail to Lahaina
just like the missionaries did, so many years ago
They even brought a neon sign: "Jesus is coming"
Brought the white man's burden down
Brought the white man's reign

Who will provide the grand design?
What is yours and what is mine?
'Cause there is no more new frontier
We have got to make it here

We satisfy our endless needs and
justify our bloody deeds,
in the name of destiny and the name of God

And you can see them there,
On Sunday morning
They stand up and sing about
what it's like up there
They call it paradise
I don't know why
You call someplace paradise,
kiss it goodbye

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Mon 02/02/09 09:50 AM
Edited by TheRebelSun on Mon 02/02/09 09:52 AM
Lame. Most forgettable movie of the decade.

Spoiler warning!!!!!!!!!

"I'm pregnant..." duh.

So if she was pregnant the whole time and the thing wanted to be reborn why didn't it just possess her baby from the get-go since it could possess everyone else? Sure there were a few jolts of surprise but not enough to make up for the weak storyline.

I tried so hard not to fall asleep during this film.

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Mon 02/02/09 09:36 AM
Edited by TheRebelSun on Mon 02/02/09 09:38 AM
Those who hammer their guns into plowshares will plow for those who do not. - Thomas Jefferson

I don't own a gun but sometimes I wish I did. I will not submit to someone else because they DO have a firearm and I do not. The founding fathers of this country realized this.
Plenty of people own illegal firearms, doesn't stop them from using them.

Guns should NEVER have been invented. But it's too late for that. This is tragic. An all too common example of the carelessness of people. But it's the people at fault, not the inanimate object.

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Mon 02/02/09 01:41 AM

Does your Happy Meal come with a toy?


What if I told you my Happy Meal IS the toy?

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Mon 02/02/09 01:37 AM

Bill Hicks


Great dude.

I would say Carl Jung.

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Mon 02/02/09 01:35 AM

Can I have Fries with that?


Wanna super-size it?

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Mon 02/02/09 01:22 AM
Okay, well I guess it was just a matter of time. It's my turn to be the attention whore.

Suggestions? Criticism?

Hit me.

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Mon 02/02/09 01:08 AM

Not watching it....so neither


Word.

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Mon 02/02/09 12:59 AM
I would think they are trying to not come on too strong, OR, they just aren't sure they're interested yet.

Either way, a maybe is better than "No" isn't it? Insinuates there is a possibility.

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Mon 02/02/09 12:33 AM
Too weird to live, too rare to die.

-Hunter S. Thompson