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We all sin to some degree. Remember it's God that is perfect. We're just his creations that can go either one way or the other, in this spiritual battle of life. God is perfect you say? Then how on earth is it possible that he could create a creation capable of doing something it did not intend for them to be able to do, to the point he regrets ever creating them before the great flood? Would that not be a mistake? Would this not indicate a flaw in his creation if he made them this way? How does that really work? If you ask me it doesn't.......either God is perfect and so are we for our purpose here, flaws and all, or God screwed up. There is no middleground. Make a choice, is God perfect or isn't he? Kleisto, what are you referring to in the first couple of sentences? I am saying that it is impossible for a being who created us perfect to make us imperfect UNLESS that's what it intended us to be, it defies logic. To say it's true means God made a mistake and perfect beings are incapable of that. God had to know why he made us the way we did.......otherwise how can he be perfect and all knowing if we can do something it didn't expect or anticipate? It just does not make any sense whatsoever. If God didn't want us to be the way we are it would have made us different, but it didn't. Therefore we must be perfect for our purpose, because if we weren't, it'd mean God made a mistake which again is something perfection cannot do by definition. I don't think God had any intention of making us to be perfect beings. It starts with the story of Adam and Eve. First humans ever to be created by God. Satan is cast out of Heaven for his plot to overtake God. Satan them tempts Adam and Eve, and they give in. Today, whether you believe or you don't, we fight with the negative and positive forces. A spiritual battle if you will, with God on one side and satan on the other, vying for our souls. God for good, wants us all to be in Heaven with him. Satan is furious with God for casting him out into hell forever, and will try to entice any of God's creations "us" into sinning, so when we pass, we enter into his lair of torture and pain for eternity. You may know the story I've just posted? Not sure? May all be just fiction to you, and you just may believe in what modern science teaches you and that's it? Faith though is about keeping an open mind and doing all the right things. To love your neighbor as yourself. Never hate, be jealous, envious, hurtful or racist to anyone. Jesus only taught peace. |
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No, the statement of free will after death isn't physically
proven. That's where faith comes in. Everyone has the choice of believing or not. Most seem to be the type as "I won't believe it until I see it". I can't change them for being non-believers. It is not as simple to just 'decide' what you will believe. You must have a logical or experiential reason to believe something. (If someone told you that you would win the lottery if you truly believed it 100% could you will yourself to believe it 100%? Probably Not. If the Bible tells you that you can move a mountain if you had the faith and belief, could you muster enough faith and belief to actually move a mountain? I doubt it. I have faith in the law of cause and effect down to the quantum world. It is supported by science and by my own personal experience. That's why I have faith. Not just because of science, but because of my own logic and experience. You have to have good reason or at least rationalizations to have faith. Most true believers in God have had some sort of personal experience that was spiritual to them and through their own logic, they attribute the miracle they witnessed or experienced to God. I don't think reading the Bible alone, and deciding to believe in God or in the Bible will actually do the trick. Ok, now you are talking about animals. We are supposed to be separated from the animals. God made them, but not in his image. Just because they can go and try to screw everything in sight, doesn't permit us to. And I don't buy into this evolution garbage. Why are there still monkeys around? The human differs from an animal only because humans have a the capacity for a higher degree of awareness. Animals don't normally "screw everything in sight" and why would you give them such a bad rap? They basically follow their natural internal programming and instincts - unless something interferes with that. Humans also have this internal programming and instincts. But because of a human's capacity for more awareness and self awareness, they can think above their own programming. That is where free choice becomes more apparent. They are no longer a slave to their programming. We all know how the monetary system works, Jeanniebean. In the Bible, money for food, shelter and even some fun is allowed. The hoarding of money for selfish purposes is not. The only people that do that are the Elite corporations and yes... they are evil and greedy. Most of the common folk are just trying to survive. Humans being in connection with each other. In which ways do you mean? To me, it's irrelevant whether the book was written two thousand or twenty thousand years ago. The rules are still set rules and aren't difficult to understand. Who says the second testament had been changed so many times? What rules are you talking about? Set by whom? The Church? What Church? The Bible? What rules? Old or new testament? Do we still stone people? Not that I know of. The ten "commandments"? Those were rules for and about Joshua's people. (The alleged "chosen People") Apparently they don't apply to everyone. "Thou shalt not kill" only applied to those people. Then according to the Bible story, Joshua told his army to slaughter men women and children without mercy. That was okay because they were not one of the chosen people. So thou shalt not kill only apply to the chosen people. So, no, I don't think the ten "commandments" apply to everyone. I feel I had an awakening of sorts, and I feel faith has been helping me. Not everyone feels the same way, and would like to think they'd gotten through things themselves, without the help of God. And no evolutionary theory or whatever some scientist comes up with, will ever shake my faith in him. I'm just assuming you may have read the Bible, didn't have an open mind at all, thought it was some fairytale and passed it off as fiction. It took a lot of years with a lot of witnesses, input from scholars and authors. I don't see it, therefore it has to be fictitious nonsense, right? This what you think? I was kidding to a point about animals. I like animals, but I have seen some dogs and cats try to screw some inanimate things, like a ragdoll or table leg for instance. ![]() Not saying animals don't have some form of intelligence. They just have a different form of intelligence, whereas humans were given human intelligence. Oh, I totally agree with you about the majority of the greedy hoarders are the ones who own the big corps. I know what they're all about. And I also agree with most regular ordinary people, just wanting to survive. I think it becomes a problem, or sin when some get that sense of entitlement. A trip somewhere for the family? That car or nice dress? No problem. When that sense of entitlement becomes for some envy, self pity and jealousy because Mr. Jones has a yacht, then I think that isn't what God would want us to do. |
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Don't stop- Chilliwack (named after a city in British
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pray for my grandson pls
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My prayers go out to you, your Grandson and Pat at this time.
From the sounds of it, he's gradually getting better. (((((((((((((((4evababy))))))))))))))) ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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Pilates
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Reeferbird.
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For playing his sax out too late in the street, causing
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Full body shot let's see it
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Cute pic, Penny. Nice smile!
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Jazz man-Lisa Simpson
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,he's actually d' cookie monster Nope, that's my Dad. ![]() Is hoping Sesame Street brings back Gordon and Mr. Hooper. |
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It's Baby time :)
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My heart and prayers go out to you and your daughter! My heartfelt congrats! ![]() Let us know how it ends up, and what gender the baby ends up being. Oh! And also the name of her new child, if possible. ![]() ![]() She is having a little girl. They are naming her Zurielle. I'm calling her Ellie ![]() Awwww! Zurielle is a beautiful name, although I admit, I never had heard the name before. Cool name though! ![]() Ellie is cute as well. ![]() Thanks ![]() and I love the name Ellie, mostly because I am an elephant freak. LOL Zurielle means the "Lord is my rock". Didn't know this. Thanks for letting me know this. ![]() elephants, but now collects little pig figurines. |
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It's Baby time :)
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My heart and prayers go out to you and your daughter! My heartfelt congrats! ![]() Let us know how it ends up, and what gender the baby ends up being. Oh! And also the name of her new child, if possible. ![]() ![]() She is having a little girl. They are naming her Zurielle. I'm calling her Ellie ![]() Congratulations Penny!...My niece just had a baby girl too...They named her Ellie Marie! ![]() Congrats to you as well, Aunt Leigh! ![]() Elle Marie. Just beautiful! ![]() |
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Out of curiosity, where in the Bible does it state that premarital sex is a sin? Hebrews 13:4 ESV Let marriage be held in honor among all, and let the marriage bed be undefiled, for God will judge the sexually immoral and adulterous. 1 Corinthians 7:2 ESV But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband. 1 Corinthians 7:8-9 ESV To the unmarried and the widows I say that it is good for them to remain single as I am. But if they cannot exercise self-control, they should marry. For it is better to marry than to burn with passion. This from http://www.openbible.info/topics/ Very informative. ![]() |
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It's Baby time :)
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My heart and prayers go out to you and your daughter! My heartfelt congrats! ![]() Let us know how it ends up, and what gender the baby ends up being. Oh! And also the name of her new child, if possible. ![]() ![]() She is having a little girl. They are naming her Zurielle. I'm calling her Ellie ![]() Awwww! Zurielle is a beautiful name, although I admit, I never had heard the name before. Cool name though! ![]() Ellie is cute as well. ![]() |
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I don't study the bible anymore because I am satisfied with my conclusion(s)...It's an amazing piece of literature that will influence, entertain, and baffle man until the end of time...What I do agree with is limited to these few "historicities"....Jesus did indeed exist, but in what capacity is not and never will be provable...I agree he was a Galilean Jew who died between 30 to 36 AD, he lived in Galilee and Judea, he spoke Aramaic, and he was crucified by order of Pontius Pilate....The rest of it is based on folklore and theological "views"...I use the bible as I would any other good reference book...In fact, using it that way and rubbing elbows with "christians" is what finally convinced me that Jesus was just a great con man and like so many other great con men, it ended up costing him his life...Spirituality is not developed through religious beliefs, it is developed by living responsibly.... I'm sorry to hear you're faith was shaken, due to rubbing elbows with Christians. Were they hypocrites? Stuffy? What was it that turned you off them, and the validity of Jesus himself? |
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It's Baby time :)
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My heart and prayers go out to you and your daughter!
My heartfelt congrats! ![]() Let us know how it ends up, and what gender the baby ends up being. Oh! And also the name of her new child, if possible. ![]() |
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