I leave you your world spider though I am often here reading and learning!

Not sarcastic? How would you describe this question?
A Joke? Is this really your idea of an intelligent or serious question?




And you think I am being "defensive?"

What have I got to be defensive against?

What is your point ?

JB

You're probably right, I can't explain it to you. You'll figure it out on your own, eventually.

An atom has enough information locked inside of it to create entire universes, but as an individual point of perception, it lacks enough conscious awareness to use any of that information.

A fertilized egg in a womb has enough information and instructions to grow into the body of a human being, but a fertilized egg is not a conscious aware being.

If a child is born and it is not connected to the life stream of one of the higher selves (and ultimately God) it will not live very long.

JB

Rainbow, as always, I enjoyed what you've shared. I do like history a great deal.

Kat, so you have trouble reconciling all that you have been "told" the Bible means. Your own reading has has indicated to you that someting is either amiss or missing. If that's the case then it seems to me that any sin that might follow from misunderstanding could not be somthing for God to harbor against you.

If that's the case then why all this staunch, unbendable, closed minded bigoty? Of course that's not a biblical question, so consider it rhetorical. (no answer required)

If you are an immigrant in this country, where did you come from?

Immigrants come from many different parts of the world.

Individual spirits come from many different parts of the universal body of God.

Originally all spirits come from the body of God. They are like a single atom in the body of God.

A single atom in your own body contains all the information it needs to create entire universes. Split one tiny atom and you release the power to destroy millions of people. (atom bomb)

it wasn't part of the Master Plan...

He was chosen? Then one must wonder who in our time may be also chosen. Will he also re write something? I read somewhere that a pope will be a problem. Maybe this one?

I read where when King James was given consent that it was told to him not to try and keep writing. It would be pointless and too many to keep up with. That it was never ending.

Kat

Funches,

That quote only referred to the times where one has spoken(written) in a way that was less than honourable about another's character.

It happens...

For anyone who could deny this, would clearly be delusional, I am sure that you would agree...

For her to mention her specific reasons, and have the conversation go into the direction that it did was quite comical actually. She simply stated that she agreed with the OP, especially in the times which she spoke of, and you then quoted her, while simultaneously deflecting her intent only to later redefine it according to your own agenda...

Since you are so curious...

Of course I have been guilty of a quick response which was not well thought out. I am ok with it though, and have made amends where I felt necessary. I am merely a human, with my own sets of flaws...

For you to ask her to explain for me, or justify on my behalf was unreasonable of you, wouldn't you agree? Especially after her repeated attempts to redirect the conversation away from the notion.

I miss you too, funches...

Peace

"star_tin_gover..so it's no longer referred to as spanking the monkey

which is the witch and which witch is hunting which witch?

That is debateable.




delusions abound or lucidity abounds, not both.

That is debateable, too.




If righteousness is sown in peace by them that make peace , then does it hold that the last word is given to the unrighteous?

Belushi...I know you are fairly new here...and are probably not aware that....

ArtGurl ( who is a very beautiful and kind and highly respected here) , is involved in a relationship with a gentleman , who also respects her highly....
as well as cherishes her and loves her deeply.

I don't paint any Christians with any brush. That's where you are totally mistaken.

I address an ancient mythology that is written in a book. I’m open to all interpretations and explanation.

However, if people start saying things like, “It’s just a matter of having faith”, or “You can’t get to God through logic” then I totally dismiss those comments as they offer nothing knew.

I’m only interested in reason. If people have no reason for why they believe something other than it’s because they choose to believe it, then they may as well believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster as far as I’m concerned.

I ask specific question, and a approach the topic from a rational point of view. I’m a scientist and I don’t mind pointing that out. If I wanted to believe things on pure faith perhaps I would have become a preacher instead.

I believe that God is reasonable. If other people want to believe that God is unreasonable more power to them. Just don’t try to expect me to believe that on faith alone without any reasons to back it up.

So, yes, if dismissing unreasonable people is being narrow-minded then I’ll gladly confess that I am very narrow-minded. If you can’t explain yourself via reason then you have no explanation to offer as far as I’m concerned.

The point is that if proselytizers expect to sell, then they better be able to back up their product with reason, otherwise I just continue to explain why I’m not buying.

I look at the entire picture from a purely pragmatic point of view. If these people want to be humored and given a pat on the back they should go to a church forum where like-minded people will support the myth without asking the tough questions.

There are plenty of those sites around.

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No I don't. In fact I think Feralcatlady and Morningsong are very nice. We have agreed to disagree. I have no problem with them although we don't share the same beliefs.

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I have no problems with Christians. They are people. I have a problem with the doctrine of Christianity which is varied, confusing and very possibly fraudulent. That is what I argue and question.

I debate assertions and statements of fact that I believe are false an I present my reasons. I don't bash people. I challenge what I believe is false doctrines especially when they are in my face all the time and peddled as truth.

I have debated with both non-Christians and Christians, so you are wrong in suggesting that I only argue with Christians.

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I have agreed to disagree with many people on these forums, so you don't know what you are talking about.

I will however, debate assertions and lies for what they are when they are given to me as truth or fact, and I will ask hard questions.

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I ask questions to see if anyone really has any reasonable answers to support what they boldly proclaim as truth. So far, I have found that no one does.

Now, Star-tin, I don't know why you have a beef with me, I don't recall ever getting into any debate with you. If I did, please refresh my memory.

I keep running across posts where you seem to be personally accusing me of things that simply are not true.

What would you have me do? Stop posting in the religion thread altogether? Stop questioning? Just let me know what you would have me do.

I have made peace with several Christians on this club, and I do my best to state my case and my questions clearly and politely. If I have offended you please tell me or quote where that happened and I will see if I can figure out what is bothering you.

JB

The thing of it is, is that it’s not about individuals or what they think they believe.

Christians will say things like “Jesus is the only way”, moreover they imply that anyone who refuses to accept this is, at best, spiritually lost, and at worst, actually choosing to side with demonic forces.

That’s hardly an attitude of “Agreeing to disagree”. That’s an attitude of “We’re right and everyone else is wrong!”

Moreover, when people preachthis idea that “Jesus saves, and is the God of Gods”, it’s only natural to point out the flaws associated with that myth. After all, the book is available to everyone, Christians don’t have exclusive rights to the book.

If Christians are so bent on trying to convince everyone that the Bible is true, then everyone else has precisely the same right to explain why they fell the Bible can’t be true.

It’s not about what individuals would like to believe. If they want to believe something let them believe it. As soon as they start posting those beliefs in an open public forum like as if they are absolute truths then everyone else has a right to post why they feel that doctrine has flaws.

The whole argument that to point out flaws in an ancient doctrine is ‘bashing’ a religions or other people’s beliefs is an invalid argument.

I post my concerns all the time, yet no one has every addressed them on a rational level. All they do is start screaming personal insult and injury. Clearly I make such good points that they can’t rebut them. So they use distraction tactics claiming personal foul, and injury.

If they have rational reasonable answer they should just post them. All they keep coming back with it that it’s a matter of faith and no one can know God through logic.

In other words, they are fully aware that their beliefs are unreasonable, yet they cling to them in spite of that fact.

I never address the individual “Christians”, I always address the issues. It doesn’t matter what the individual “Christians” believe. If they don’t believe what the Bible says then they are kidding themselves. If they do believe what the Bible says then they should be able to explain why they believe it using reason.

To just say, ‘It’s a matter of faith’ is to admit that it makes no sense to them either.

No one can answer my questions,…

Why were the original angels unhappy with God’s perfect heaven in the first place?

Clearly they didn’t think it was so perfect. Is the very idea of perfection merely a subjective ideal? How could angels be unhappy with perfection?

Also, why would a supposedly all-wise, and all-loving God need to have gruesome blood sacrifices made to him before he can forgive sins? That doesn’t even begin to make any reasonable sense to me. An all-wise and all-loving God could have surely come up with something less gruesome for man’s repentance.

This whole story just reeks of the kinds of things that superstitious men would make up, and makes absolutely no sense at all with respect to a supposedly all-loving, all-wise, perfect God.

I don’t see why anyone should be personally insulted by these very legitimate questions.

Especially when they are so bent on proselytizing these superstitious beliefs onto others.