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Wed 06/11/08 08:47 PM
Edited by star_tin_gover on Wed 06/11/08 08:48 PM



You should keep doing it. Don't fear the Christians though. They won't put a sword to your neck.:wink:


No, but they may force me to endure the happy clappers on tv, the evangelists in the street, the two-faced bleatings on here, and the hypocrisy and contradictions that they quote from the bible or even the wonderful tales of homosexual abuse from their priests!!!

Christians? Hmm ... more like the heathens that they say they dislike.



Don't be so hard on yourself. noway I don't see you that way at all!.Well, possibly the bleating....... and a few others, but hey! None of us are perfect eh? Or should I say "oy"?flowerforyou

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Wed 06/11/08 08:43 PM




It is amazing to me how many people leave Christianity, myself included, due to the acts of man. We are all human. None of us are perfect. I don't understand (but am beginning to) why people blame God for man's imperfections.



I blame man for man's imperfections. I blame a system of brainwashing and dogma for the corruption of people's spiritual followings. The Hebrew God had nothing to do with christianity, it's formation, or it's corruption of the spirituality or religion of people. I believe once Jesus had a speech about taxes, coins ect where he said give to God what belongs to God, and Give to man what belongs to man. The belief that God had anything to do with Christianity in it's modern or even ancient form as understood by modern man per my opinion has nothing to do with God, and everything to do with the failings of man. In some ways one can view Christianity itself as a test of spiritual fortitude tempting people to sin in the name of God which is the most appealing sin in existence for a Christian since it allows one to sin and them justify it blaming responsibility on their god. My struggle to get my own family to accept my spiritual differences was not easy, and took years of talking with them time and time again feeling unloved and unaccepted but as good Christians they eventually came to understand that rather than rejecting spirituality I was rejecting a system that was wrong for me. When I recently argued with my mother about her own belief she said something to the effect that it works for her and she is content, and many of the concepts I toy with in my mind are beyond her understanding leaving her content to let me puzzle these out while accepting her more straight forward simple views. This in itself was simply her response though she then later started reading a thing or two about the nature of Christianity and has even asked for my help in understanding a book she read but couldn't quite understand.

My personal belief is that Christianity as a following of Christ is a failure. I acknowledge that the Christian system seems to work for some people, but it is by far relatively few when you consider how many it corrupts per my opinion. I believe this because I personally believe most of the teachins of Christ were simple to understand and propgated love, respect, and spirituality. I also believe when someone steps away from Chrisitanity it has nothing to do with Christ and that they are leaving a system of spiritual dogma (or even slavery) in order to seek their own truth.

Those that can not find their own way are forced to follow others. Those that can find their own path are more likely to accept with totality the teachings of others.

Divorcing oneself from a system or establishment is seperate from divorcing oneself from spirituality or religion in general. Some call it being lost but I think of it as finding oneself, and realizing that an individual's personal path to enlightenment is more meaningful than submission to a system created by other humans.

Any person within this system that truly follows their personal heart and is able to maintain spiritual integrity within this system is fine by me. It is those that let the system warp their spirits or corrupt their religion that I take issue with even if I realize that the source of damage is the system rather than their personal choice. I view them as victims of the system and rather than attack them as spiritual beings simply wish for them to allow themselves enough spiritual freedom and self respect to find themselves and their own true belief.

I once was debating with a Christian who questioned my tendency to give Christians a lot of challenges to face regarding their faith. My answer was that anything I say whether I say it badly or perfectly is simply an attempt to free their mind and their soul. If my statements shake their faith it is meant to be shaken, and when someone is brainwashed by a system of dogma for a lifetime my statements should mean little to a true believer and would only change the views of a false believer without conviction who never took the time to examine their own beliefs realistically. (This is paraphrased I fail to remember the exact words used in the discussion on either side I only remember the concept.)


Though I have not seen enough of your posts to get a grasp of your perception of God, etc - I would say that your objection with "Christianity" and what your perception of it is does not come from a discernment of what a spirit filled believer of Christ is - from those who attend a local congregation and claim adherancy to Christianity. Your objection is more with - for lack of a better word "Church-iolity". Those who's faith is in their church, or congregation - rather than Christ and his message of truth. Those of us who's faith is in Jesus through the work of the spirit do not "blindly" accept interpretations from a pulpet - unless the exegesis is complete and consistant. The problem most have with Christianity is they blindly accept what the secular media has defined as Christian denominations, and in turn they take the actions of the aberrant ones as representative of the church as a whole.

For those who think that the church of Jesus - which began with the disciples - has anything to do with what goes on in ornately decorated buildings on Sunday or Saturday mornings, and is defined by such, knows little, if anything about scripture. Claiming to be a Christian does not bring one closer to God, nor does it get one to heaven. Christianity does not save anyone - Jesus does. It is only through Jesus that one gets to the heaven of scripture.

So I would here in like to announce that I am not a follower of the Christianity that I see defined in these threads. I am a disciple of Jesus - not of any congregation with whatever dogma or tenants they may follow. If in chosing to become a disciple of Jesus, that has made me a "Christian", it is by my understanding of what a Christian is, not society at large.

Eljay! You are the man!drinker drinker drinker I completely agree with your statement. flowerforyou

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Wed 06/11/08 08:40 PM

Now you won't type "Christian"? Miles, I'm really worried for you.

If typing God is blaspemous then typing Christian must be equally as blasphemous apparently. Perhaps he has seen the light? laugh Don't get worked up into a lather miles. It was a j-ke. blushing

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Wed 06/11/08 08:37 PM

Why do we not follow the Disciples examples. They never called themselves Chr-stians.

Acts 9:1-2

Then Saul, still breathing threats and murder against the disciples of the Master, went to the high priest 2 and asked letters from him to the synagogues of Damascus, so that if he found any who were of the Way , whether men or women, he might bring them bound to Jerusalem.
NKJV

Acts 16:16-18

Now it happened, as we went to prayer, that a certain slave girl possessed with a spirit of divination met us, who brought her masters much profit by fortune-telling. 17 This girl followed Paul and us, and cried out, saying, "These men are the servants of the Most High El, who proclaim to us the way of salvation." 18 And this she did for many days.
NKJV

Acts 18:25-26
5 This man had been instructed in the way of the Master; and being fervent in spirit, he spoke and taught accurately the things of the master, though he knew only the baptism of John. 26 So he began to speak boldly in the synagogue. When Aquila and Priscilla heard him, they took him aside and explained to him the way of Yahweh more accurately.
NKJV

Acts 19:9
9 But when some were hardened and did not believe, but spoke evil of the Way before the multitude, he departed from them and withdrew the disciples, reasoning daily in the school of Tyrannus.
NKJV

Acts 19:23

23 And about that time there arose a great commotion about the Way
NKJV

Acts 24:14-15
14 But this I confess to you, that according to the Way which they call a sect, so I worship the Elohim of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the Law and in the Prophets.
NKJV

Acts 24:22

But when Felix heard these things, having more accurate knowledge of the Way , he adjourned the proceedings and said, "When Lysias the commander comes down, I will make a decision on your case
NKJV
All these fit with What Yahshua said about himself..

John 14:6

6 Yahshua said to him, "I am the way , the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
NKJV


But we have 2 spots of the Disiples being called Chr-stian

Acts 26:28
8 Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian .
KJV
This 1st place, is from a Pagan king.
1 Peter 4:16

16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian , let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify Yahweh on this behalf.
KJV

Do these places of being called a Chr-stian compared to The Way really make any sence why you would call yourself such?

Blessings of Shalom...Miles

Miles, you typed Christian without the hyphen. Bad bad bad boy. Twenty lashes with a wet noodle for you.laugh laugh laugh drinker bigsmile

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Wed 06/11/08 08:33 PM



I'm pretty sure the god your refer to could have made anything come out of that house. A cat, dog, chicken, sheep, this is why you don't make blind promises in general. And don't forget, god had shown the judgement to stop a sacrifice of this calibur before (Issac), but this time chose not too. Once again, just for contemplation.


We control our own actions. God didn't cause Jephtha to make that promise and he didn't cause the girl to come out of the house. We are each responsible for our own actions.


It's funny, I don't sound like a christian to you, but you don't sound like one to me either.


I'm not. I thought I was, but I have known I'm not for several months.


I've committed too much evil before the face of god to be forgiven.


You aren't saved by how much good or evil you have done.






Amen Spider



we are saved by grace flowerforyou


and not by works...noway


lest any man should boast ....huh




Jamie :heart: drinker flowerforyou drinker :heart:


The enemy would try to tell you lies devil


& lay guilt trips on you ~ saying to you grumble


that you are too bad to be forgiven...huh


that is Sooooooo <<< Not True >>> !!! noway




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Wed 06/11/08 07:00 PM
Edited by star_tin_gover on Wed 06/11/08 07:01 PM
Food for thought!Thanks!
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Tue 06/10/08 09:57 PM





:smile: Can someone answer this question?:smile:

:smile: Who is the enemies of the Chrisians, (specifically the Evangelical Christians)and why ???:smile:


The athiests, agnostics, pagans, wiccans, panthiests, and on and on.

They hate Jesus Christ and the Lord God Almighty.

They prefer the spirit of satan.


Ooooohh dont!!! It hurts ... I think I just pulled a fat!
I have tears rolling down my face!!! (they normally do when I laugh this hard) laugh laugh laugh

The enemies of the christians are the christians themselves.

If you kept your club ideals to yourselves and didnt try to force them on others then you may be a little more acceptable to the rest of humanity

Oh, and didnt the Christian god create satan, who we are supposed to prefer?



------If you kept your club ideals to yourselves and didnt try to force them on others then you may be a little more acceptable to the rest of humanity---------

well you could say the same thing about islam as well


Which I am also quite happy to say to them too!
And have done!


You should keep doing it. Don't fear the Christians though. They won't put a sword to your neck.:wink:

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Tue 06/10/08 09:02 PM
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Tue 06/10/08 07:12 PM
I like JB too and she is one of my friends. I rarely agree with her but I think she has a big heart. She gets as irritated with others as we all do. We are only human. flowerforyou I think? laugh smooched ((((Jeannie))))smooched

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Sun 06/08/08 08:26 PM
Edited by star_tin_gover on Sun 06/08/08 08:27 PM

JB...


Your defensive posturing serves only to defeat it's own purpose.


Therefore, all of your expressions which have been based upon that misappropriation have been based upon a false premise. Your false premise.


What I said is above.


What you said is below.


What point are you trying to make anyway?



Ok I will repeat... once again.

Therefore, all of your expressions which have been based upon that misappropriation have been based upon a false premise. Your false premise.



What this means is that when you twist my words and add to them, you change the meaning. Add to this the fact that you then argue with your own misinterpretation of what I said, and what you come out with is you arguing with yourself, while I am trying desperately to clarify the misunderstanding.

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Sun 06/08/08 08:21 PM
Don't know where Di is Glen but check this out. I think it covers it.
http://ledger.southofboston.com/articles/2006/08/26/news/news01.txt

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Sun 06/08/08 08:10 PM
Edited by star_tin_gover on Sun 06/08/08 08:13 PM

Well so far the poll indicates that it is only Christians who would vote no. Though not all Christians would vote no.

What is it in the Christian faith that allows some Christians to take a beleif meant to teach that person alone, how to conduct their own affairs, and then use that information to judge another?

And worse than that, they would back up their own judgement by determining that those they have found guilty are not worthy of the same treatment under the law as they would expect themselves?



This poll focuses on Christians alone. The survey statistics are readily available for the secular population as a whole as well. Have you polled non-Christians to compare notes? I think you will be shocked to find out just how mainstream the Christians are on the subject.flowerforyou
I do realize that we will continue to be the evil Christians that will eat your young if you don't convert to our collective way of thinking. (j/k)laugh :wink: flowerforyou

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Sun 06/08/08 07:37 PM


LOL,

He's talking about gods such as cows and other animals on land, sea, or imagined gods like Buddha or Confucius that many people worship. Even the American Indian and other people around the world had different gods, often in the form of animals, they worshipped.
The interesting thing here is that even when separated on different continents by oceans, having no contact for ages, all people had an inner sense of something greater than themselves. Some inner feeling that there was a god. They all worshipped a God in one form or another.
That was/is a knowledge placed in all our souls by the one God. Only as time and oceans separated us that knowledge became confused and changed. Just as it is now on this thread.
The passages you are reading is God making himself clear to the people of Israel that he is the one and same God. He is putting it down in law and charging his chosen people the task of spreading the word and correcting the misunderstandings of who is God to all the peoples of the earth.



Buddha and Confucius are not called gods either. Both systems are a philosophical path to happiness and enlightenment.

What the Hebrew god is making clear is that they owe him for getting them out of Egypt. There is no denial of the existence of other gods, no stating that they are false gods.
The Bible was written by men promoting their god over another. Those who wrote it made it clear that there were, at least in their minds, other gods. What man reads into the actual words in all interpretation.

Spot on Glen! laugh Post killer.grumble :wink:


Far from post killer. It's still interpretation of what is written. What is written is still written by man.

I was being facetious karma. :wink: flowerforyou

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Sun 06/08/08 07:04 PM
1. Yes
2. Pull the benefits. Nobody gets em. earn your way people! Quit expecting handouts from the taxpayers! What are we...... socialists? How does that one grab ya? laugh flowerforyou

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Sun 06/08/08 08:54 AM

And your above response to Abra does not answer his questions. Why do you demand facts, logic, knowledge from our ideas or conclusions and yet you do not offer any to support your own?


This is true Michael.

You state that humans can only be aware through a physical brain.

But then you go on to state that computers cannot become aware even though they are a physical brain.

But you don’t give any reason to explain why one can become self-aware, and the other cannot.


We do not process by binary logic abra. Computers do. And as a result they are capable of doing only what they are programmed to do within the parameters of a particular program. Having been an electronics instructor I have been watching for someone to challenge you concerning your obviously basic and often inaccurate knowledge of computer science. You should really consider shoring up your argument with something you are familiar with. flowerforyou

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Sun 06/08/08 08:05 AM
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Outstanding!

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Sun 06/08/08 08:03 AM


laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh

you have won nothing, you have defeated no one - you have only proven that it's impossible for human's of different thinking on religious matter's to communicate i shook my head yesterday and said to myself - futile believer's - it's not worth my time to continue this any longer - if your god did exist - he would be anything but happy with your way's but since he does not - it's a mute point - your nothing more than senseless cattle being hearded by a book of man's creation following blindly to the slaughter that your god does so well.

bigsmile byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee





WRONG............

So, your intent is to bash those that have not escaped themselves and their own intact and h3ealthy,feeling consciences?

Bashing Christians, Tribo?

That is a despicable agenda and one that is licentiously assuming the correctness of your own misapprehensions.

No one has appointed you a god over men to decry your opinions and assumptions as fact.

The fact is, that you have no content and character worthy of comprehending mutual respect and dignity for any other than yourself and similarly dissaffected personalities bent on deconstructing others to applaud yourself.

I see no social redemptive quality in that.

More importantly, you are exhibiting poor judgement and tasteless motivation when your apparent goal is to belittle the sensitivities of others not equal to your self important bloviations.

Your postion is without merit, and disengenuously surmised by your abundnce of lack in things containing biblical truthes.

Try again.

Affirm yourself is a positive light, not one borne of distorted contrivations of scriptural truths not made efficable by the light of the gospel and that which eludes your person.

Clearly, you assume your own greatness and high estimation of your person warranting your detestable contempt of the humility and contrition so hallmarking the witness of persons apprehended of Christ Jesus.


to coin a phrase of yours.....

bigsmile byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee


Game, set, match. drinker :wink:

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Sun 06/08/08 07:55 AM

LOL,

He's talking about gods such as cows and other animals on land, sea, or imagined gods like Buddha or Confucius that many people worship. Even the American Indian and other people around the world had different gods, often in the form of animals, they worshipped.
The interesting thing here is that even when separated on different continents by oceans, having no contact for ages, all people had an inner sense of something greater than themselves. Some inner feeling that there was a god. They all worshipped a God in one form or another.
That was/is a knowledge placed in all our souls by the one God. Only as time and oceans separated us that knowledge became confused and changed.
The passages you are reading is God making himself clear to the people of Israel that he is the one and same God. He is putting it down in law and charging his chosen people the task of spreading the word and correcting the misunderstandings of who is God to all the peoples of the earth.

Spot on Glen! laugh Post killer.grumble :wink:

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Sun 06/08/08 07:48 AM



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flowerforyou Casting Crowns - Praise You In This Storm flowerforyou


I was sure by now
God You would have reached down
And wiped our tears away
Stepped in and saved the day
But once again, I say “Amen”, and it’s still raining

As the thunder rolls
I barely hear You whisper through the rain
“I’m with you”
And as Your mercy falls
I raise my hands and praise the God who gives
And takes away

Chorus:
I’ll praise You in this storm
And I will lift my hands
For You are who You are
No matter where I am
Every tear I’ve cried
You hold in Your hand
You never left my side
And though my heart is torn
I will praise You in this storm

I remember when
I stumbled in the wind
You heard my cry
You raised me up again
My strength is almost gone
How can I carry on
If I can’t find You

As the thunder rolls
I barely hear You whisper through the rain
“I’m with you”
And as Your mercy falls
I raise my hands and praise the God who gives
And takes away

Chorus:

(2x’s)
I lift my eyes unto the hills
Where does my help come from?
My help comes from the Lord
The maker of Heaven and Earth






Thanks Vanessa! smooched Isn't that a cool song?flowerforyou drinker

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Sat 06/07/08 09:40 PM



It's neither prejudice nor moral judgment of any kind to believe that something is false.


Yet the way people express that "something" is false. it seems more like a prejudice than a simple expression of a way of thinking.

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck....... laugh flowerforyou
Love the sinner but hate the sin, brother.flowerforyou Even if he is an irritating geek who talks out of both sides of his pocket protector.laugh

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