hmmmmm??? well one of three things must be happening - 1) no ones interested in posting anymore due to lack of interest or boredom. 2) i and abra and rathil are the only ones who "really fit the answer's desired from cherub. 3) i'm just bored and not patient enough to wait - hahahahaha

i know patience is a virtue - but i never claimed to be virtuess -

God cannot do evil, it's completely against God's character. We can debate the OT all day, but I DO NOT believe that God did anything evil in the OT. The ONLY way you can say that is if you ignore a great deal of context of the events.



No shotgun arguments, okay? Please start a new thread and give one event that you think is "mean and vindictive" and I will respond. So on and so forth until you run out of events.

A Christian who calls God evil?

Your understanding of that exchange if very much wrong, I suggest you re-read. Moses was pleading for God to spare the Israelites, not chastising God.

I am once again amazed at the callousness on both sides of this arguement, but at least the atheist and pagans are nice about it. You know why christians are seemingly persecuted everywhere? Because they have no tolerance for other religions, just like the muslims are perceived as being.

Never mind that Jesus himself warned every christian that they would be persecuted everywhere. That is almost always ignored.

Enemies of christians were listed here. We are christians, we are supposed to know no enemies. God is supposed to take care of our enemies, we are to set our table for them (that means invite them to your home).

God is not perfect. Moses caused him to repent after he led the Israelites out of Egypt. As I recall, he was going to slay all the Israelites after they made the golden calf, Moses chastised god saying "how will you look before Egypt and their gods if you lead your people to freedom only to kill them in the desert?" God also has evil in him, so there is no Satan, Satan is just a fallen angel, you might remember him as Lucifer, the Morning Star. In Samuel, it says "and an evil spirit of the Lord moved over Saul." It doesn't say satan, the devil, beelzebub, or any of the direct names of old Lou in there it says an evil spirit from the Lord. So before you think your god is all flowers and roses, read your book again.

Jesus also spoke in parables, always. He did not intend for everyone to "follow him," as an icon. That violates commandment #1, place no gods before me. What he meant, or was misinterpreted about, was follow my example, live as I do (did), and you will be just before god's throne when judgement comes.

Acceptance, tolerance, understanding, compassion, patience, humility, these are the traits of a christian. And are even preached against in churches. I heard a minister derail liberalism and talk about how we need to fight against liberals. The definition of liberal contains 3 of the afor mentioned traits. I've been to churches that have "gift shops." If that's not money trading in the temple I don't know what is. So before we christians get on our high and mighty horse and condemn our pagan, wiccan, and pantheiest brothers and sisters (oh, by the way, just because they don't believe doesn't mean they aren't your brothers and sisters in god's eyes), we might want to shore up our own houses first.

What the original premise of this arguement was is that we as a constituency to our own beliefs, have let the powerful of the church influence away from god's teachings. It was correct. Robertson, Falwell, even the Rev. Al Sharpton have all been leading their flocks astray. Those that believe in the end times might remember that we were warned of charletons masqarading as teachers of the faith, and might consider the person they are getting their preaching from.

I live in Kansas, I got that nut case in Topeka (Phelps) that pickets funerals of servicemen and women whose caskets are returned from Iraq. Very christian in the way he says "god killed them because he hates America" for allowing homosexuals to have a voice in society. These are the voices of christianity that get heard. The media deride the fakes, and we as christians don't stand up against their venomous speeches, making us just as guilty as non-believing sections of society that do, and then have the gall to complain that we are being persecuted.

this is just a proof of what is known as CHRISTIAN FUNDAMENTALISM.
for people like this individual the whole christianity suffers.
If the whole christianity were like this, I promise to each one of you that I would not be a christian at all.

Oh that's an easy one... the politically correct...the unbelievers, the new agers, down right devil worshippers & pagans & the rebellious in heart ...basically? Those who don't want to follow God's will.

Having eyes they never see...having ears they never hear. That's what God's word says. Intellectualizing God's word doesn't make one a Christian. The ones who complain about how they 'studied" God's word weren't really seeking Him. You can't be double minded about God.

I don't know if anyone else has suggested this as far as up in government before, so don't think I am quoting an article or anything here. I just have an opinion on something and want to know what your ideas are.

I believe that all children when they are born should be required to have their dna tested, and databased. This is for several reasons too.

1. It would help increase the likelihood of finding something wrong (like parkinsons disease, or leukemia, etc) sooner, thus having a better chance of resolving the problem.

2. It will take some time, but after so long, when children are born and have their dna registered, if the father ran away during the pregnancy, the dna can be matched against the database (just like fingerprinting in crimes) and the father can be identified, and thus made to pay child support. In the case of pregnancies by rape, this could also be an effective tool, as not only would they have the name of the father, but obviously they would have the rapist as well.

3. If for some reason you are in an accident, and unconcious, the hospital can run a dna check on you, and find out who you are and let your family know.

There are several more good reasons for this to be done, but I am going to wait and see how much people come in and start bashing my head against the wall fro even considering the idea of a national registry, which would be a restriction against their personal freedoms and such. Even though you are required to have a blood test done at birth now in order to get your blood type.

I just ask one simple consideration folks. If you can not come in and remain calm and rational, please do not post. There is no need for ranting or crying out servitude, etc.

yeah and this one is a lil fireball. he wanted to go toe to head with me

looks across the room at the dwarf

grins a bit and laughs

gets up walks to the bar i may need some meade tonight i see

walks in looks around

good eve draven

makes sense... stay away from me then. *she flashes a small smile at the dwarf*

oh so ya can talk civil to each other, what a surprise

*walks back in* nice trick dwarf, but how come when we were on the boat I did not feel sick?

you know I cant do anything with that stupid symbol he has.. hes hiding behind it because he knows I will hurt him if he didnt

an old minotaur that trained me made me remeber, never underestimate the one your against, and since you have no clue of how i was trained, then you dont know what im capable of. then he looks at the vampire, remeber girl your not stronger than i, and if you want my strength again, then you shall remeber to keep your mouth shut.

nad you small sir have no experiance with the will and strength of minotaurs. especially this one. and my name is Draven.

and what would happen if i stepped on you dwarf? i would think i had stepped on a stone, it would be easy to do since your so small. draven chuckels at this

think if i got hurt over you, you think i would let you slide if you caused the trouble? i think not.