Thanx for the simpathy vote dear, but no thanx. I have no problem with dealing with my own demons.

I have a question to add to your question. If someone kills the fetus or unborn child other than a doctor doing an abortion is it still murder? This assumes the pregnant woman lives thru some sort of assualt. If the answer is yes someone please explain to me when doctors became exempt to the law of the land. If the answer is no please explain how two counts of murder can be charged.

You are absolutely right, a woman DOES have the right to choose wether or not to bring a child into this world. Here-in lies the misunderstanding. If the woman (or the man that will run away if the woman becomes pregnant) does not want to bring a baby into this world, then you should be CHOOSING to not have sex in the first place.

Pregnancy is the NATURAL result of sexual activity; it is what you have sex for.

Now, for those that will argue for the instance of rape, I am sorry, but in my opinion, it is simply another issue to bring against the rapist, although I can definitely understand and sympathise the resent and even hatred some might feel towards delivering the child.

And for those that argue for the case of imminent death for the mother, I am sorry, but you chose to have sex, then you need to be prepared for the consequences of that action.

About the ONLY time I can possibly think of condoning an abortion would be if it was able to be proven beyond a doubt, that the child would be born dead anyway.


But generally speaking, it all boils down to when the woman (or man) should be making their choice, which is BEFORE a pregnancy occurs, not after.

Pregnancy is the NATURAL result of sexual activity; it is what you have sex for.

Mental and physical reprocusions to an abortion. My ex aborted our first pregnancy at the request of her mother. To this day she has had no medical problems as a result, nor has she shown any remorse for the abortion. And yes we do talk all the time, in case your wondering. As far as child support goes it is the womans choice to bring it up in court, this is true. It is not her choice to prosecute him, that responsibility is taken by the state.

The choice to abort is not a responsibility, it is an option out. With the current laws in most states if not all, it is a criminal offence for a man to run off and not pay child support.
In my state alone it is a manditory six month sentence to get behind on child support, and when the man is released he only has a certain amount of time to catch back up. I think they should get longer sentences, but then the mother would still be S.O.L. while he's doing time.

No, but the law does hold men accountable, not very well, this is true. But the woman shouldn't be ?

So instead of taking resonsibilities for my part in a pregnancy, I should instead, since it's none of my business, tell the woman that it's her problem deal with it?

First, let me say to you that while my ex was pregnant I didn't smoke, for the same reasons that you decide to outline. It does cause health risks to an unborn child. I, unlike these Pro-Choice or Abortion addvicates, took responsibility for MY actions and the possible risk to OUR son.

Second, If the laws on abortion are changed and it IS made illegal, than I WOULD be more than happy to throw the switch.
Woman as well as men have to take the responsibility for their actions. I've read comments about women not having control of a mans penis, this true. They do however have the same right as a man to say no, to keep their clothes on and their legs shut, or be willing to accept the responsibilities of their actions. To me it is no different than a man walking into a drug store and killing the clerk. We would expect that man to take responsiblity and punishment for his actions, would we not?

We live in a country full of double standards. Pro-Choice, yeah right. What suprises me is how many people support the womans right to murder a child while at the same time being completely against enforcing the death penalty on convicted murders. The only light I can see at the end of this tunnel is that every time the supreme court has to see an abortion case before it, abortion gets one step closer to being illegal. And when that happens and it will one day, then those that continue to have abortions can be tryed as the murders they are.

Some people think the morning after pill is murder.I recall wal mart wouldnt sell it.

Isn't it sad that our society doesn't considered the murder of a child "everyone's" business?

Isn't it sad that adoption agencys and couples already agree to take care of the mother's medical bills, but some pretend that isn't the case?

Isn't it sad that so many couples must adopt from foreign countries to get healthy newborns, when so many children are murdered in the USA every year?

Ugh. Since when is the baby the same thing as the woman's body? This is a separate human life we're talking about, not a decision on whether or not to lose weight or get a tan. "Pro choice" is a pretty term for justifying exactly the opposite: stealing the choice..in fact, all choices..from a precious human-being-to-be.

Neither do I lack personal connection to the issue. My oldest brother was aborted years before I was born...it would have been nice to know him. And my mom, though she's since healed from the mistake, still greatly regrets that decision.

Pro-Abortion and Pro-Choice are the same exact thing, by the way.

You can't be Anti-Abortion and Pro-Choice and you can't be Pro-Abortion and Anti-Choice. The only thing you can be is Pro-Choice and Pro-Abortion.

Now those who are pro-abortion say human life does not begin until birth.

Okay, make that point, but then how can you justify our court system giving double murder to those who kill a pregnant woman?

I even heard a pro-abortionist person saying that someone who murders a pregnant woman should be tried for both murders. WHAT? That makes absolutely no sense at all.

She went on to say it is different because the woman wanted to keep the fetus.

I asked her "How can you murder a 'human' that you don't consider a living human being?"

She then went on to argue again and again that it is different because the pregnant woman wanted to keep the fetus. What screwy logic.

So, you have met the majority of the men in the world? Wow, I thuoght I have done some traveling.. way to go girl!!!!

(Forgive me folks but I have to ask this, even though I do not believe it myself}

Does the above statment mean on the reverse that because I have a ****, I can do whatever I want with it with no consequences as well?

not once did any of us tell you what to do with your life. We told you that you shuldnot commit murder.


not once have I pushed my views on anyone else. I am simply participating in a discussion. If you feel I am "pushing my views" upon you then you need to go elsewhere, because this is an open forum whre anyone may speak as long as they do not attack, or harrass etc.*




Your right, just because somethign is illegal does not mean it wont happen. but does that mean we need to make it legal for soeone to go out and rape another? Or murder a person that is not still physically attached to their mother? What about drugs? Should we make it legal for the use of all drugs because of hte drug wars?



I have not once mentioned anything abot religion or god ar any of that. As far as I am concerned enabling someone to give life is a heck of a lot mor moral, than allowing them to take it away, for [by]any reason.
And as far as getting physical in any way towards a woman/man or clinic/hospital I did not say, nor have I participated in any way, that this would be right or ethical.
And as far as "going into your home..." I am not going into your home. Yes you are at home. however I am at my home. We are both using the internet, which is a choice we both make for ourselves, and you chose to come into this thread and read it and comment. I am assuming no one is standing there with a gun to your head (or anything similar) forcing you to turn on the internet, sign onto JustSayHi.com and to participate in this thread.
So if you do not like being told my views (or anyone elses) thenturn off your computer and quit participating.