No, abra, I'm not suggesting that fear drives you to live & interact with others. I'm saying it's a human conidition just like fear. Get the point now? Yes it would be absurd to think that. Like eating; we eat to live not feel good or cause we're hungry...that one is for you creativesoul and thanks for you input.
abra, it would be benefical to all if we took what I said and not turn it into a play on words. I don't think my explanation is that far off the mark for you to assume the only reason to live is because we fear death. Give me a break.

totally redundant argument for the existence of a creator. On the contrary this kind of argument only begs the question of where did God come from! All you’re really saying here is that by your logic God must have a mother, and so on.

Redundant only to one who can't view script the way it is written. No, GOD did not have a mother. I said it plainly & I'll say it again, GOD was the begining, the source of all.

To me, walking out in front of a Mack Truck represent the potential for pain, and lots of it, plus the possibility of ending up as grossly disfigured living paraplegic instead of dying.

I can see how you might view that becaue you think you're indestructable. Remember you're an island & fear nothing, not even death. You man you.

You seem to be taking the position that if you don’t fear something then you must highly desire it.

You take the position entirely wrong. sorry.

This is an extremely weak argument. Also, this would imply that animals also fear death. I don’t think that having an instinct to cling to life is the same thing as fearing death. By your assessment then animals have the same awareness of death as humans do. Because they exhibit the same instintual behaviors as humans do. They eat, interact with each other, and do what they can to survive and avoid demise. That doesn’t automatically equate to fearing death.

well that's where you are wrong. In near death instances, the body compensates itself to survive. IT doesn't always work but it can be powerful. Animals don't interact as humans. Humans have a spirit or at least some do. Your argument is weaker in it's self. You're only basing it on your opinion & now you've heard mine.

All you are saying here that people aren’t any differnet from animals and that animals aren’t any different from people?

Nope. wrong again. You're saying that. I said animals have no spirit.

Actually I would agree with that, but I'm just asking.

But when I factor in the spirit concept, you will disagree because you think you have the power over death & fear. ha!
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Wrong! If God didn’t do what I asked when I asked then he didn’t answer my prayer. If he did something else in a different time then he did something else at a different time. That’s not what I had prayed for and thus he didn’t answer my prayer.

You religious people always want to have your cake and eat it too! Either God answers your prayers or he does something differnet. Period.

Who are you that GOD should beckon your every call. Do you have control of the universe? I don't really think you really know if GOD answered your prayer. Sorry if you didn't get your way anyway, that's life bud. abra, I'm sorry if you can't understand why & what GOD does. I don't either most of the time but HE is GOD & my ways or not like HIS ways.

How about naming some of your so-called cases where people have prayed for rain & didn't recieve it? I'm giving you one that did & he recieved.

I’m coming back to what you originally said just to completely blow you out of the water and show precisely how truly absurd your rationale is here!

If you are claiming that a fear of death is the only motivation to take care of yourself, work (be productive) and make human connections, then,…

What will be your motivation to exist in an eternal heaven where there is no death????

What will motivate you to be productive there and to make spiritual connections????

If your claim is that death is the motivation for life, than what is the motivation to live in an eternal afterlife? Surely death can’t be the motivation there!

Do you see how absurd your claims are? Especially coming from someone who supposedly believes in an eternal afterlife!

If you claim that a fear of death is the only motivation for life, then what will be your motivation to live in an eternal afterlife where you no longer have a fear of death?

All you are saying here is that there will be no motivation for an eternal afterlife.

In fact, all you are really claiming here is that death is the only thing that gives life meaning!!!!

This is what you are saying from a purely phiolosophical point of view

I don't think you blew me out of the water by rearranging what I said. I did not say 'the only motivation to living is the fear of death'. You, being self righteous, has said that. I was saying the fear of death is a human reaction. that's all, plain & simple. ABRA, I'm sorry you misunderstood every word I said. I was just looking to see where you turn in a time of crisis. But I see, a selfcentered person has no need for a GOD. You are the GOD who can fear no death. But I say & quote Luke 12:5 "Fear HIM who, has power to cast into hell..."



so much for your open mind.

"No, abra, I'm not suggesting that fear drives you to live & interact with others."
sounds like fear makes you beleive in something that doesn't exist.