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Fri 05/18/18 09:23 AM
Oh frustrated
I think it was on the TV at the dentist office laugh laugh

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Fri 05/18/18 09:20 AM
Wedding??? Who is getting married?

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Fri 05/18/18 09:08 AM
Edited by Fervid_heart on Fri 05/18/18 09:18 AM

It's quite logical: they make an effort to be with you, to see you, because they feel you are worth it.
Men want a confident woman, a high-value woman, one who a) feels herself she is worth it and B) is able to appreciate their effort for them because that shows she is worthy. Again it is able to receive that and to be proud and feel worthy of who you are.
If you then offer to pay because he's made that effort it's a direct message of "I feel guilty you did that for me" by which you A)ruin his good feeling about doing this for a woman who is really worthy and b) you tell him you do NOT feel worthy.
So he then made all that effort for a woman who isn't worthy and/or doesn't appreciate his effort for a woman of High Value, which up to that point he thought you was.
It IS emasculating to a man, unless you have a wuss. A real man will feel emasculated and disappointed. Men want to win. They want the woman they're after to be a prize, worthy and making him feel he's won the jackpot!
You take that away from him the minute you want to pay for the date.
Like Undrrboss says, it's HIS choice to drive that distance.
And yes, you can sure show your appreciation for him doing that. Men do like that. But then go don't go overboard. I once bought a man a cuddly toy because he said he wanted a cuddle when he'd driven 2 hours. In Dutch the word for "cuddle" and "cuddly toy" is the same, hence me doing that. Didn't cost much, impact of appreciation was huge.
Another bloke like crystals, as do I. He drove over 3 hours. I gave him 2-3 tumbled crystals as token of my appreciation. Small things.

And you know, if you feel uncomfortable about these things, you can express that, as long as you do it the right way. Which is not insisting to pay the bill. It is saying something like "I feel a bit uncomfortable..." "I feel..." But do NOT insist to pay.
Learn to receive. Love yourself, then it gets easier.

If a man feels like less of a man by allowing his date to feel comfortable, then I do not believe it is the woman's fault.

It is all a matter of perspective.
1) my worth is not determined by the amount of money a man is allowed to spend on me
2) my feelings on things should not emasculate him. He should be just as considerate of my emotions and what led me to them as I would try to be of his
3) I do not love myself any less or think myself unworthy because of my desire to pay my own way in the beginning. Buying a man a meal or even a drink is a small token, in my opinion, of appreciation. It isn't like I am buying him a ring and proposing.

As I said, looking back I can see the impression some men get ... but at the time my baggage clouded my judgement. Even now it does, but I am working on it to improve myself.

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Thu 05/17/18 09:06 PM
Truth fully, I wouldn't mind at first. It would actually make me feel more appreciated. I would see it as him being comfortable and accepting of who I am au natural ... then I mighy think "who does he think he is to tell me how to dress" but that would come after the awww moment.

Dont get me wrong ... With all MGTOW talk, and I've seen it in a few sites, it is comforting to know there are still men out their who date like you do. And I am well aware my aversion to it stems from bad baggage. It's just life. And a point of view.

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Thu 05/17/18 08:35 PM
Edited by Fervid_heart on Thu 05/17/18 08:48 PM
Be careful ... guys are gonna come in here and say they know ladies that need those classes laugh laugh

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Thu 05/17/18 08:32 PM
Ok, but what if those are not the reasons? My stance doesn't come from a need for independence(per say), feeling obligated, or about who has money ... it is more personal

I get your stance, and we would never be compatible. I am just trying to understand more about why some men feel so strongly about it.
I have, mistakenly, crossed that line with a guy. To me it meant nothing. I paid the bill and we went our seperate ways. Months later he told me that I made him feel less of a man, when my intent was only to not be in a position I myself felt uncomfortable.

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Thu 05/17/18 08:17 PM
I does have a lot if info about you. But not a lot about what you seek.

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Thu 05/17/18 08:12 PM
Ok ... now devils advocate moment

Are you suggesting that your feelings on the matter trump hers?

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Thu 05/17/18 07:55 PM
I think i lost a bit of my common sense in one of these rooms. If you see it can you drop it off at Pisces place for me?

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Thu 05/17/18 07:47 PM

I can get behind your stance of going dutch. But what if she truly felt uncomfortable letting you pay the first couple of dates


we dont go any dates, its that simple, hence why I insist on meet and greets for the first time.

If she makes a fuss over me paying for a beverage then I know she has an issue with the guy paying.

so right there I say ciao.

If a woman thinks that by me paying for a date that makes her obligated to me for whatever that is a red flag for me and the opportunity to do the Run forest runnnnnnnnnnnn and making sure the door hits my azz on the way out.


Are women not suppose to have baggage? There could be a logical reason behind the red flag, in this instance (most are not logical)



Instance: a guy regularly drives 200 miles, one way, to see the girl. Girl feels like he has contributed his share to the date, meet, whatever you want to call it ... is that not a case to feel less emasculated by here paying for the actual meal?


If a guy drives 200 miles to see the girl he is really into that girl, she doesnt have to contribute a thing because she is worth the drive.

if she said come see me 4 times a week and it looks like she is taking advantage of him that is different.


Well thats not playing fair.

Would you allow her to pay at that point?

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Thu 05/17/18 07:29 PM
Edited by Fervid_heart on Thu 05/17/18 07:33 PM



I’m curious about this and if many men share your mind on the subject.

Say you’ve treated her to a dozen outings and she invites YOU to try this little bistro her sister introduced her to last week. She thinks you’ll love it and wants to do something special for you. Would you be offended if she wanted to treat you for a change?


If im in a relationship with her, I don't have a problem with her treating me, if Im on a date with her particularly the first few times out.. no, not happening, she keeps insisting that we go dutch I will insist she go by herself.


I can get behind your stance of going dutch. But what if she truly felt uncomfortable letting you pay the first couple of dates? Or the were circumstances that made it reasonable for her to pay ...

Instance: a guy regularly drives 200 miles, one way, to see the girl. Girl feels like he has contributed his share to the date, meet, whatever you want to call it ... is that not a case to feel less emasculated by here paying for the actual meal?

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Thu 05/17/18 07:26 PM


I dont think it is cheating, but I also thinks it matters to the relationship. Is his desire to self satisfy causing issue in the relationship itself? Is he not attentive to her? Or is this something that occurs only when she is away from the home?


Oh so porn voyeurism and self satisfying is strictly a guy thing now...

typical!whoa


*roll eyes* you're right, its a girl thing too. I love watching porn with my partner and when I am single. I do tend to stay away from self satisfaction when I am in a relationship.

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Thu 05/17/18 06:45 PM
I dont think it is cheating, but I also thinks it matters to the relationship. Is his desire to self satisfy causing issue in the relationship itself? Is he not attentive to her? Or is this something that occurs only when she is away from the home?

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Thu 05/17/18 02:45 PM


Thank you. I had to keep looking for photos if me sans Snapchat filters and naughty gal behaviors ... there weren't many rofl rofl :


laugh

I got a shirt last week on sale, very low cut... When I wear it out I should get a picture of me and see if they let me post it laugh blushing
yes, please do. I love cite tops and v-neck shirts. Always looking for new styles

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Thu 05/17/18 02:15 PM


I read through these posts twice. And still no date.


I've been here two weeks and still nothing. I am going to end up an old cat lady at this rate laugh
quit denying your love for me, for us and what we could be :cry:

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Thu 05/17/18 02:12 PM
Thank you. I had to keep looking for photos if me sans Snapchat filters and naughty gal behaviors ... there weren't many rofl rofl :

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Thu 05/17/18 02:05 PM
Yeah, I took her a couple pizzas to school lunch period so she could share with friends (and a coffe for herself)

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Thu 05/17/18 01:57 PM
spock yall too much sometimes


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Thu 05/17/18 01:55 PM
Those look fantastic Pisces. Theyll go great with these



Im such a non conformist. She'll love them though ... or just that I am making Tacos for dinner, her favorite.

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Thu 05/17/18 09:19 AM

Good morning everyone waving

Fervi I don't think David would share his cats, so those should be safe whoa laugh

Happy birthday wishes to your kiddo, how old is she?
oh, ok

17 ... gosh im getting older frustrated

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