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Fri 05/21/10 05:44 AM
Knowledge was being given to Adam and Eve by God. To take of the tree was to get "the knowlege OF good and evil." It was the knowing of good and evil....not the getting of knowledge. It was the discernment of what was good and what was bad. By knowing good from bad, they sinned knowing and not out of ignorance.

God gave knowledge to Adam and Eve of good knowledge and good things.
Satan gave them death and hardships of their choices good(obedience) and evil(disobedience). Therefore we have hardships and death by sin thanks to Adam by Eve from the begile of Satan due to our discernments of good and evil.

Only by knowing they were naked were they shamed in thier own eyes where before they were innocent because being naked did not shame.


Peace!


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Fri 05/21/10 12:58 AM
Adam and Eve were unknowing of good and evil. By knowing good and evil, they became subject to the law and therefore did sin unto death. God was not warning or forbiding them from knowledge but from sin and death. They became subject to the death of the body and of the second death of the spirit(soul). Now that sin ruled unto death, by the knowledge of good and evil by the law...all became subject to death that followed because of weakness of the flesh and spirit, no able to keep the law.

Many here do error in understanding!

Peace!

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Fri 05/21/10 12:35 AM
Since the spirit here is as it is. I withdraw from discussion.

Peace!

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Fri 05/21/10 12:31 AM



The God of the old testament was Elohim made of God the Father and the Logos. The Logos was the God walking and talking to the sons of God. This Logos later laid down his immortal life and became flesh being Christ. The Logos was God and with God in the Elohim.

what fairytale book does this come from?


Markum! For once I agree with you 100%. I would swear this was from the Book of Mormon, the one brand of Christianity that is the BIGGEST lie short of Scientology!

The God of Jews is Jehova,

The God of Christians is Yahweh,

Supposedly the real God has no name. All Gods is is "I am."

WTF? Why is the Bible written in Stereo?


I am sorry but you error greatly! YHWH is Hebrew. It has no vowels written because the name was too Holy to speak. The same YHWH has been guessed at as both by both. Jesus had a Hebrew name and a Greek name. If you will look at his Greek name it is very close to the name of the Old Testament name of YHWH. So! The Jehovah is a close Englished version of the Hebrew for YHWH. Yahweh is far from being close. Look in your Strong's for proper pronuciation.

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Fri 05/21/10 12:14 AM
It is from the KJ. Use your Strong's Concordance with dictionaries. I say this kindly, If you did not know that much, you are not fit to teach against or for a subjuct you do not begin to understand. I repeat, I say this with kindness and not being rude.

Peace!

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Thu 05/20/10 12:45 AM
Seek moneymaking opportunitys!

When you pick up an item at the store, Ask yourself,"Can I live without this until tomorrow" If the answer is Yes then put it back. Do this with any and all things until you are out of debt.

Examples: Tea: You can drink water. You can live without it until tomorrow. Put it back.
Steak: I can eat a dollar chicken burrito from Taco bell without a cola. Put it back. You can live without it until tomorrow.
Rent a movie: You can check out one from the library or a book on how to make money or how to budget. Put the movie back. You can live without it until tomorrow.

It is WANTS that cause the problems, NEEDS are things to be meet! Do that you NEED to do and not those things you WANT.

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Thu 05/20/10 12:18 AM
The God of the old testament was Elohim made of God the Father and the Logos. The Logos was the God walking and talking to the sons of God. This Logos later laid down his immortal life and became flesh being Christ. The Logos was God and with God in the Elohim.

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Tue 01/19/10 05:23 PM


If I plan a house....do I not know the end from the beginning. Do I not know it will be of a certain size, a certain color....etc.

If I did not then I would want to build something and would not know what it was until I was finished. I might have a boat.

In building, if some workers decided to do things their own way....would I have no choice but to get new builders so the end would be a house instead of a boat as the first rebelling workers wanted against my desired planned end result.




And once again, your analogy only applies IF you didn't create the workers in the first place. Are you now saying God didn't create us?


Foolishness! I waste no more time with you.

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Tue 01/19/10 05:21 PM





That so doesn't make any damn sense. If your god knows everything and can do anything, why wouldn't he just make the world just exactly they way he wanted in the first place? Why go through all that trouble in the beginning just to end up where we are now?
That's just silly.


God gave free will to the Angels and to man. People do error in this idea, "God knows the end from the beginning." This is the same for a carpenter, he knows the end from the beginning......with plans....it will be a house. The way to the final end often take paths do to the free will of individuals handling their own tasks.
Satan a created being never new sin until it was found in him. Did God know this would happen....no! But the end or final product would be as he wanted by another means....so the plan was adjusted through man more directly. Man will in the end know their is no fruits to their own way of sin and will never return to it because it is pointless failure. Then the end known from the beginning will be done.

God repented that he ever made man at one point. Would he have made man if he knew he would repent of doing so.....foolish! man needs to understand God for who he is and not for the ideas of thier own understanding.

Most of all the ideas about God, Christ and the Kingdom are 180 degrees from the truth. This world's preachers preach that man has an immortal soul........then how can God give eternal life to one who already has it. how can one who goes directly to heaven at death ever be resurrected at the return of Christ. Mankind know nothing of God....only the God they have created in their own image.

Man thinks a day starts at 12:00 A.M. BY MAN'S CLOCK. When the day start at evening at sunset. Read Genesis! Their lack of understanding begins there and then in Revelation....death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. How can hell be cast into hell....they don't know and it is simple. Look up hell in that verse in a Strong's Concordance.....that word translated hell is "Grave"....Death and the grave were cast into the lake of fire...read on and it make sense. People need to understand the Bible instead of leaning unto thier own understanding.

These lost ones are those followed....blind leading the blind.

You have learned of a God of thier confused understanding and not the God Eternal.

Peace!


I'm gonna go ahead and guess english is not your native language. The mismash you wrote is damn near immpossible to follow.
That being said, I think part of what you were trying to convey is that you believe that your god is not in fact all knowing nor is he all powerful.
Which is fine but that does contradict what your bible says. I'm thinking to get past a few logical inconsistancies, you're inventing your own religion.
Hey, whatever works for you.


I am sorry if my words lack simple ideas for your understanding and not written in perfection.

If I am inventing my own religion....then about a million of us have made the same religion seperately from one another. It is Bible based only!!! That is why we agree together. The Bible is not for private interpetation.

I waste no more time with you. Peace!


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Tue 01/19/10 05:12 PM






God gave free will to the Angels and to man. People do error in this idea, "God knows the end from the beginning."


if God knows the end from the beginning then there isn't any "Free Will"


so you're saying if i know my neighbor is going to complain about my music means they don't have free will because i foreseen the complaints?


are you saying that you are God and are omniscient and know the end to the beginning and gave your neighbor "Free Will"?


no i absolutely am not. I was making an example to show that even if you know the outcome of something you are not taking the free will away. Neither is God even though he knows the end.


However, if you make something, and you know exactly how it will perform under any condition, then whatever it does, it does because you made it that way.
Similarly, if God makes a person, and God knows everything, whatever that person does, that person does it because God made that person that way. And then there is no free will.
The only way one may have free will is either God does not make us or He does not know everything.
Either way, your belief system doesn't work. Your bible has several instances where it says God knows everything and God created us and everything else. And we have free will. This, logically, cannot be, as I have just shown.


God did not make man as he is today. man chose to know good and evil.....and man choses to do mostly evil. God did not make them that way. God did not make the falling Angels that way either.

The Angels and man have free will.....if not then they can not be his children.....only organic robots. We are being allowed to make mistakes for a sound reason.....you should know the reason but it sounds like you lack much in understanding. I say this kindly not to insult.

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Tue 01/19/10 05:01 PM
If I plan a house....do I not know the end from the beginning. Do I not know it will be of a certain size, a certain color....etc.

If I did not then I would want to build something and would not know what it was until I was finished. I might have a boat.

In building, if some workers decided to do things their own way....would I have no choice but to get new builders so the end would be a house instead of a boat as the first rebelling workers wanted against my desired planned end result.


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Tue 01/19/10 04:03 AM

woah

this thread got weird



OK! Let's go back to something people will like!


The dinosaurouseseses all ate bad pickles from China and died! LOL

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Mon 01/18/10 08:50 PM



That so doesn't make any damn sense. If your god knows everything and can do anything, why wouldn't he just make the world just exactly they way he wanted in the first place? Why go through all that trouble in the beginning just to end up where we are now?
That's just silly.


God gave free will to the Angels and to man. People do error in this idea, "God knows the end from the beginning." This is the same for a carpenter, he knows the end from the beginning......with plans....it will be a house. The way to the final end often take paths do to the free will of individuals handling their own tasks.
Satan a created being never new sin until it was found in him. Did God know this would happen....no! But the end or final product would be as he wanted by another means....so the plan was adjusted through man more directly. Man will in the end know their is no fruits to their own way of sin and will never return to it because it is pointless failure. Then the end known from the beginning will be done.

God repented that he ever made man at one point. Would he have made man if he knew he would repent of doing so.....foolish! man needs to understand God for who he is and not for the ideas of thier own understanding.

Most of all the ideas about God, Christ and the Kingdom are 180 degrees from the truth. This world's preachers preach that man has an immortal soul........then how can God give eternal life to one who already has it. how can one who goes directly to heaven at death ever be resurrected at the return of Christ. Mankind know nothing of God....only the God they have created in their own image.

Man thinks a day starts at 12:00 A.M. BY MAN'S CLOCK. When the day start at evening at sunset. Read Genesis! Their lack of understanding begins there and then in Revelation....death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. How can hell be cast into hell....they don't know and it is simple. Look up hell in that verse in a Strong's Concordance.....that word translated hell is "Grave"....Death and the grave were cast into the lake of fire...read on and it make sense. People need to understand the Bible instead of leaning unto thier own understanding.

These lost ones are those followed....blind leading the blind.

You have learned of a God of thier confused understanding and not the God Eternal.

Peace!

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Sun 01/17/10 03:56 PM




The creator, the Eternal, our Father. other gods are not living (man made), He is the only living God.

To know him.....you need to read the Bible. But if you are not seeking him except for a paper or test.....you will be lost as a goose. One must be lead by the Holy Spirit to a correct understanding.....all other attempt will not lead you to the truth.....just a lot of confusion.

Some say that God, Christ, and the Gospel is just made up stuff for many reasons to control people. The changing of the truth is for that reason. But the truth is still there and is of a real living God, and only a true seeking will prove his real existance. Those to whom things are shown of coming events see them proven daily. The time is short. if you are not sincere in finding God.....it is better you remain ingnorant. But God will not foresake you, You will come to understanding and have a chioce in your own calling. Today is only a better calling to better things. Those of the first resurrection are those called today.

Only a sincere seeking being called to him will reveal him to you.



I dont really have an issue with a living God, but finding any answers in the bible can only be done if you realize what it is... which is an excellent piece of literature, not to be taken literally. Take the prophosies to mind not to heart as the saying goes.


only those truely seeking will find Him.



True, phycology calles it confirmation., you 'see' what you want to see.
Of course I can care less what anybodys religious beliefs are, and the bible has some good stuff in it. But some of the other stuff is pretty hard to ignore...
I guess my biggest problem with it is that anyone can interpret the text to mean anything, or in some cases, interpret it to fit their argument or agenda.
I would think if your christian, your primary..support, argument or whatever would be faith, not biblical context, I'ts to malliable.

Thats not to say CYCLOPS or anyone else here is doing anything like that, I was just making a commet.




Many have found false things to support their beliefs. I never accept such things without much consideration from the other side of things. Many of the things I know came from trying with all might to prove them wrong.....but could not, only finding a better thing of the subject at hand.

The Bible itself says it is not for private interpetation. The Bible interpetes itself and means the same to all called to true understanding....not all are called at this time. We all came to the same understanding apart from one another in many cases and then there are those taught but made to make there own findings proven by the Bible as it interpets itself.

Friend.....I wish to find error in my thoughts proven by the word....then I have grown....but to be correct profits me nothing in growing in knowledge and truth. I don't play fairy tales and cute little stories.......only sound understanding. Most of those you speak are like children fighting to be special and not responsible for themselves....doing anything they wish and at the end...Santa still comes with gifts......it is very sad......but they will have their calling in their own time.

Peace! I must go for now! I will try to return as time allows.

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Sun 01/17/10 03:39 PM

true story...years ago I was job hunting near Brookings South Dakota and
picked up a guy hitchhiking...drove some miles and he told me he was a
pastor / minister at a small church somewhere in the prairie..and then
he asked what my "denomination" was...
Told him I thought I was more spiritual than anything..that I believed
there is a force of good/ light energy that flows thru the universe we
can tap into it and become a force of good ourselves..also said that we
have been here much longer than the bible states and that we were
probably altered thru our DNA eons ago by travelers from somewhere
else...
He asked to be let out and looked back into the car at me..
"you will rot in hell for your beliefs" he said....

cant remember if he thanked me for the ride... grumble grumble
indifferent


He is mistaken in his own beliefs.

Some are called today to understanding....these are those of the first resurrection.

Those never knowing the truth and misguided......will learn the truth as the books are opened (Bible/scriptures) in the second resurrection. Then those will have an informed chance to salvation. If they knowing refuse it. Then they shall have their part in the lake of fire with those of the third (implied) resurrection to destruction. (no burning in hell forever and ever.)



That man was as lost in his understanding as a goose would be in a pickle barrel. Forgive him!

Peace!

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Sun 01/17/10 03:28 PM


You have a right to your beliefs. But what is.....is.....in spite of any belief right or wrong. If one will learn of those things to come. They will also see them fulfilled in front of their own eyes today and in the rest of their lifetime. Revelation is just what it says.....a revelation given to who are his.

Peace!



There's no peace with religion...never has been and never will be.




The religion of man....yes! but with God all things are possible and will occur. The relgions of today except a small flock use God's name in vain and think they do his will......but he does not know them. They were Anti-Christ from the beginning. In time when man has fulfilled his role, there will be peace in the ruled of Christ. That is the Gospel...the coming Kingdom of God....not the gospel about Christ they preached.....but the Gospel of Christ that Christ preached...The Kingdom come!

Remember we are under the ruled of the God of this world..Satan...Adam gave him that rule and the second Adam (Christ) will rule again....things will be as God intended once again!

Peace between us then....peace!

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Sun 01/17/10 03:16 PM
The Earth was created for the Angels. The Earth developed and animals grew and changed. Then Satan dared to revolt and try to accend to God's throne. The great war caused the Earth to become a destruction and a wasteland covered by water. The rest of creation was battle torn also.

Genesis declares that God created the Earth and it (was)(became) a destruction and a wasteland.

Then it begins to tell of the regeneration of the Earth. In this new plan of God's. The need for many animals was not needed to carry out the new plan involving mankind.

Have you not thought it odd for it to say,........after his kind or after it's kind. Many plants and animals were made after its kind before the destruction. Now man was not made after it's kind but was jumped ahead to be made after the God kind. "Let us make man in our own image."

So there is no conflict with creation and some of evolution as it is misunderstood. Animals did evolve in the first Earth age and so did a creature simular to man.....but never man. These were destroyed and God began again using some as patterns and some not. But man was not made patterned after the first Earth age creature, but in God's own image!


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Sun 01/17/10 02:55 PM
You have a right to your beliefs. But what is.....is.....in spite of any belief right or wrong. If one will learn of those things to come. They will also see them fulfilled in front of their own eyes today and in the rest of their lifetime. Revelation is just what it says.....a revelation given to who are his.

Peace!

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Sun 01/17/10 09:22 AM
The creator, the Eternal, our Father. other gods are not living (man made), He is the only living God.

To know him.....you need to read the Bible. But if you are not seeking him except for a paper or test.....you will be lost as a goose. One must be lead by the Holy Spirit to a correct understanding.....all other attempt will not lead you to the truth.....just a lot of confusion.

Some say that God, Christ, and the Gospel is just made up stuff for many reasons to control people. The changing of the truth is for that reason. But the truth is still there and is of a real living God, and only a true seeking will prove his real existance. Those to whom things are shown of coming events see them proven daily. The time is short. if you are not sincere in finding God.....it is better you remain ingnorant. But God will not foresake you, You will come to understanding and have a chioce in your own calling. Today is only a better calling to better things. Those of the first resurrection are those called today.

Only a sincere seeking being called to him will reveal him to you.

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Sun 01/17/10 09:02 AM
over saturation of air in the water......too many bubbles. Cut them down or all could have the same trouble.........I don't think your fish will make it for lack of feeding more than the eyes. cut the bubbles and wait to see......save the others first.....cut the bubbles!